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"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

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Darc Requiem said:
Origin, I understand you are playing the devil's advocate. The good games are coming argument is still quite flawed. Developers have already began to hedge their bets as far as the PS3 is concerned. Developers that were firmly in Sony's corner are already waivering on their PS3 support. Exclusive games are going multiplatform. Instead of continuing to have the majority of their development teams focus on the PS3, they are shifting that focus on to Sony's competitors. You are going to start seeing more and more multiplatform games on PS3 that are substandard in comparison to the 360 version. The smaller userbase means that PS3 multiplatform ports are going to be done on a shoe string budget. The PS3 is going end up with the crappy ports that the Gamecube got last gen.

Just a little trip down memory lane:

Need For Speed : Hot Pursuit 2 Released Sept. 2002...almost an ENTIRE YEAR AFTER THE XBOX CAME OUT.

After almost five years, the true sequel is finally here in Hot Pursuit 2 for the Xbox, and it gives players all the car-chasing, roadblock-blasting action they can handle. But it also pales in comparison to the PlayStation 2 version...

...What makes playing the PlayStation 2 version of Hot Pursuit 2 so addicting makes the Xbox version incredibly annoying. Out on the track, car control is far too floaty and unresponsive. It becomes especially apparent when you're going through a set of S turns and you're unable to keep the tail end of your car from swinging out. It's also far more difficult to feel the differences in handling between the various cars. There's a handbrake available that will allow you to perform something similar to powerslides, but it's only required in the hairpin turns that pop up infrequently...

...Technically speaking, the Xbox version of Hot Pursuit 2 is a train wreck. All the special effects that make the PlayStation 2 version look so sharp -- like volumetric fogging and excellent lighting -- are completely absent. Gone are the sandstorms that would completely blind you or the way the cars glow with yellow light as you drive past large fires. The textures are incredibly blurry and the colors are washed-out and bland. Despite the sacrifices made on the technical end of things, the game can get quite jumpy when there are several cars onscreen at once. This drastically undermines the game's sense of speed -- one of its major selling points...

...The cars themselves are modeled fairly well with some pseudo environmental mapping applied to them that give them a nice reflective surface, though the cars in the Xbox version lack the detailed undercarriages found in the PS2 version. This is apparent when catching huge air because the camera will pan around your car to give it some emphasis.

Despite it's dilapidated state when compared with the PlayStation 2 version, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 for the Xbox is still a fun arcade racer. It's one of those games where it seems like the most illogical thing that can happen regularly does (like a car coming in the other lane at the exact wrong time), but the adrenaline rush from the police chases keeps you coming back for one more try. It's no technical marvel, but with plenty of cars and tracks to unlock and high-speed thrills it's worth a look. But if you own both systems pick up the PlayStation 2 version instead.


This game came out A FULL YEAR after the Xbox Launched. Was the Xbox weaker than the PS2? No.
It's all up to the developers coming to grips with the hardware so they can exploit it. A full year after the Xbox came out, and developers were still learning the hardware. EA is the world's largest Third Party, with the most resources to make their games shine, and a full year later, even they couldn't make the Xbox version as GOOD as the PS2 version.

The List of multiplatform games looking better on the inferior platform (PS2) continued over and over with other games ported poorly to the Xbox like Metal Gear Solid 2 : Substance, Onimusha, Medal of Honor, and others.

It didn't help that EXCLUSIVE XBOX games looked worse than EXCLUSIVE games on PS2 as well (with the exception of Halo), Azurik, Nightcaster, Blood wake, NFL Fever, and more looked pale in comparison to Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy X, Twisted Metal : Black, Zone of the Enders, and Gran Turismo 3.

Other games that were initially exclusive to PS2 looked fantastic against the Prior Xbox Launch, games like Metal Gear Solid 2, Baldur's Gate, Silent Hill 2, and even the Dreamcast Port, Resident Evil Code Veronica X.
Of course, over time, it became apparent the Xbox was indeed more capable, but it took time to exploit the hardware to outshine the PS2....even though the PS2 was harder to code for.
 

As for the sales, the PS2 almost sold 20 million the first year it was out, as of now, you have to add up the total number of 360s, Wiis, and PS3s combined to come close to the number of PS2s sold the first year, and you have to take into account that the 360 has been out for over a year. The real question that should be asked is why aren't people dedicating themselves to new consoles?



DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED lol. It doesn't look good for the PS3. The console with the MOST games wins. It looks like the Wii is gonna get the most games and it looks like the PS3 might get the least amount of games (or just ports). The only way the PS3 can succeed (is it still possible?) is if it does the following: 1. Sold at $400. (Not gonna happen any time soon) 2. Have A LOT of games. (Not gonna happen any time soon) The PS3 is too expensive for most people. And the PS3 is too expensive to develop for. FF13 and MGS4 and GT5 are not gonna be enough. Sorry. Nope. Just look at the popularity of Wii Sports and Nintendogs. That's the mainstream. My prediction: The PS3 is a lot cause. It will still get FF13, MGS4, GT5 and a few other great games... but it's lost a lot of developer support (IMO) and regular people just don't give a damn about the console. People want to play with a wii wand.



What is doom? Is it Bankruptcy? - which despite sony's pathetic finances will not happen. Sony just made more than 200M last weekend on only one of there movies which helps offset the 800M the PS3 fiasco caused. Is it loss of marketshare? - cause that surely doomed nintendo.



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larry said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

PSP isn't a success, Sony expected it to oust both the Ipod and the DS, it did neither, in fact it didn't even come close

PS3 isn't doomed but its almost certainly not going to be able to dominate the market, in fact it looks very likely to remain in third place


psp has sold around 22 million units worldwide with healthy software ties. How is that not a success??

ps3 not going to dominate the market?????

even the die hard nintendo fanboys know that by the end of the year ps3 would be topping the console sales list all around the world in terms of softwares and hardwares.

FIXED


 Failed to achieve any of its prelaunch goals, that's a failure

 

PS3 will end up in third place 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Thrillhouse said:
larry said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

PSP isn't a success, Sony expected it to oust both the Ipod and the DS, it did neither, in fact it didn't even come close

PS3 isn't doomed but its almost certainly not going to be able to dominate the market, in fact it looks very likely to remain in third place


psp has sold around 22 million units worldwide with healthy software ties. How is that not a success??

ps3 not going to dominate the market?????

even the die hard nintendo fanboys know that by the end of the year ps3 would be topping the console sales list all around the world in terms of softwares and hardwares.

FIXED


PSP is clearly the greatest failure ever... if 22 million systems is a failure.

Compared to DS, it is merely 2nd Place. (In a two horse race however, that does indeed make it the loser.) I believe Sony should stay in that market, and see what it can do to swing the tide on the handheld front away from Nintendo. Something that has never been done.

I do not know if Sony PS3 will be on the top of the charts by the time this year is over. Judging just by this year so far, I'm inclined to say they will be in 3rd place this entire generation with the exception of Japan, if they do not sell well this holiday season.

Of course, I also picked the Wii to have GameCube like sales, so who knows? Fun guessing though!


 22 million is a failure when you expected it to surpass the DS and the Ipod, which Sony did



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

What happened with Sonic? What happened with Crash? What happened with Spyro? Jak and Ratchet will come to Nintendo. Sony is always dumping their older mascots on other consoles. Just wait and see...



RolStoppable said:

Sony was probably focusing on multimedia because video games alone didn't give them enough profit (2 billions of the PS2 isn't that much money considering how clearly it dominated). As you pointed out the focus for consoles and handhelds should be on games and that's why Sony is losing with PSP and PS3.

I agree with you, there won't be a Playstation 4. There might be another console from Sony, but it would be stupid to keep the name Playstation, because the brandname will be worth nothing after this generation.

Sony gave away their Crash Bandicoot and Spyro franchises after the PSone era, since then they are owned by Vivendi. Both series are multiplatform now and will be in the future considering Vivendi's plans how to handle these franchises.

Ratchet is still an Insomniac game and a PS3 game is in development. Naughty Dog is currently working on Uncharted. I doubt that we will see Ratchet or Jak on a Nintendo console. 

Sonic is still owned by Sega and was multiplatform last generation, but it seems that Sonic games will stay exclusive on the Wii in the future, considering the ratings and sales of Sonic the Hedgehog (360/PS3) and Sonic and the secret rings (Wii).

The PS3 is doomed. But it will still take some months or even years for some diehard sony fanboys to realize that. But yes... vvv signature vvv


Crash and Spyro were not owned by Vivendi in the first place. Crash was owned by Naughty Dog. Spyro was owned by Insomniac. Vivendi bought them after Sony dumped them in the streets. And Vivendi only made a few games for them, before passing them onto other developers. Crash in particular got passed around like a hot potatoe, which is why he looks weird in his new game, "Crash of the Titans." I personally think the game looks horrible.

Naughty Dog and Insomniac sold off Spyro and Crash, so why would they not sell off Ratchet and Jak? Not only that, Crash and Spyro trippled the sales of Jak and Ratchet. They were more successful, yet they sold them off anyways, which gives more of a reason to sell off the less successful, Jak and Ratchet, in due time.

I think Crash was the best. He was the only one who was closest to Mario. Spyro is childish, Jak went horribly bad after the first game, and Ratchet is pretty average like Rayman, Bomberman, and Pac-Man.

Jak and Ratchet will be on the PS3, but who knows, they might be on the Xbox 360 and Wii aswell. Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex was multi-platform, so why not Ratchet and Jak. I don't think Naughty Dog is making Jak games anymore. They are focusing on a different game, which also in my opinion, doesn't look that good. I don't know about Insomniac though. But at the end, Nintendo always ends up with the mascot characters. They got Sonic, Crash, and Spyro, so I really think they will end up with Jak and Ratchet. They even got Bonk after the Turbo Graphix failed. There are some mascot characters that so far, have not made it to Nintendo... yet... besdies Jak and Ratchet, which include Blinx the Timesweeper... um... was never really popular but... hmmm... I guess that's the only one... Wow...



Blue3 said:
a.l.e.x59 said:

I wouldnt be surprised to see Jak and Ratchet on Nintendo.


WOW

either really really ignorant, or one kick ass troll you are.

 Wii fanboys will love this dumb thread.

 


 Come on, seriously now... Sonic moved to Nintendo, Crash moved to Nintendo, Spyro moved to Nintendo. In due time, Jak and Ratchet will move onto Nintendo. They would fit in quite nicely too.

Remember Crash and Spyro in the PS1 days? Nobody thought they would move to Nintendo. However, when PS2 came out, Crash and Spyro stayed on the PS2, but also moved to the Gamecube and Xbox. Why? Naughty Dog and Insomniac sold them off.

Jak and Ratchet were exclusives to the PS2, but when they debut to the PS3, they might also debut to Xbox 360, and Wii, seeing how low the PS3 sales are in comparison to its rivals. Also, I don't think Insomniac and Naughty Dog will be making the games for the PS3. Therefore, the new developers may port the games to other consoles.

Remember Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex? Tools of Destruction, and Jak 4 might turn up just like that game, and be ported to all the consoles.

It's not a matter of if they move to Nintendo, but when.

Then again, I don't know. Nobody knows. But I personally think that one day, they might... 



RolStoppable said:
ckmlb said:
RolStoppable said:

 

I agree with you, there won't be a Playstation 4. There might be another console from Sony, but it would be stupid to keep the name Playstation, because the brandname will be worth nothing after this generation.



Bias much?


No, being realistic.

EDIT: As example, after the "Sega Saturn", Sega's next console was called "Dreamcast" and not "Sega Dreamcast". After the failures of CD, 32X, Saturn, in the eyes of most customers the name Sega was worth nothing anymore.

300th post!!! 


 Wow, wow, wow. Not true.

There was the Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast (yes, Sega Dreamcast) just like there was Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo 64, Nintendo Gamecube, Sony Playstation, Sony Playstation 2, Sony Playstation 3, Microsoft Xbox, Microsoft Xbox 360, Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Atari Jaguar, et cetera.

Every single console's name has the brand name at the beginning, and the console's name at the end. It is just how it is.

On the Microsoft Xbox, you don't see the word "Microsoft" before the name. The full name of a console is different than what may say on the actual system. The Atari 2600 says "Atari Video Computer System" on the console, yet it is still called the Atari 2600. There is no connection.

It is still called the Sega Dreamcast. Sorry. And why would they take out the word "Sega?" Was it not made by Sega? It was. And with Playstation, you recalled removing the "console" name, yet with the Dreancast, you recalled removing the "brand" name. No connection here.

Never-the-less, Sony is dead. If Sony does make a new console, it would be called Playstation 4. I kind of like the way number it like that. Makes it nice and simple. Nintendo's console names are kind of all over the place:

Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo 64 (surprisingly not Nintendo 64 Entertainment System), Nintendo Gamecube (surprisingly not Nintendo Gamecube Entertainment System), and Nintendo Wii (surprisingly not Nintendo Wii Entertainment System).

Yeah, video game names are messed up.