But, MS is entitled to do what they need to spur sales if they are running short of projections and no retailer wants to be stuck with basic $499 XB1 SKUs as the $499 Titanfall SKU becomes available.
I had wondered what the Titanfall bundle would do to basic SKU sales and it looks as though MS thought ahead about that.
But at the same time, I do have to question why anyone would have bought the basic XB1 SKU after the Titanfall bundle was announced at the same price, so these people maybe have a bit less to be upset about not getting their free copy of Forza.
J_Allard said: Wow so they not only gave the middle finger to US early adopters but rubbed it in by announcing it a couple months before the console was even out? Wow what dicks. I'm sure a fan base as loud and demanding and independent as Sonys was all up in arms over that? Oh wait I heard not a peep. Funny how that works.
You're deliberatly being facetious and are simply incredulous to my argument. But that's alright, I will continue to breakdown your foundation until you either realize its made of cardboard or until you fall threw, whatever works for you. Why would consumers be mad at others recieving consolation? Furthemore, those in Japan couldn't buy a Japanese ps4 before the Febuary, so its not even an issue concerning early adopters. Buying a Playstation 4, when Japan was allowed to get one, didn't get you Knack.
From your POV something like consolation must seem totally foreign to you so allow me to elaborate: When a company fcks up, they apologize in the form of added consoloation rather than just fixing the problem because they value their customer's support.
As a consumer, why do I care that Sony released the PS4 late in Japan? As a consumer, I see Buyer A getting a free game bundled with the console while I got nothing. If this was something that would bother me, I would be bothered whether it was Company A (MS) or Company B (Sony) doing it. What you're trying to say is fans should be pissed at Company A (MS) but hey guys relax its perfectly logical and cool guys relax! when it comes to Company B.
I understand consolation perfectly fine, seems you are confused on the whole "fucking up" part though. As a consumer I wouldn't expect extra shit if a console released late in the US. When Sega or MS gave me a few broken consoles I didn't demand anything extra. When Sony repeatedly charged my credit card for stupid services I never signed up for via PSN, I never demanded any extra reimbursement. Just now an hour ago Whataburger forgot my daughters chicken strip basket. I noticed about halfway home. I turned around and went back and got it. I didn't ask for any free cookies or a free drink or a refund. I couldn't imagine living life like that, looking for whatever handout I could get any time a company "wronged" me.
I paid a price for their product that at the time I deemed to be worth it. If something better comes along (like oh idk it ALWAYS DOES in consoles) then I have no one to blame but myself, not MS/Sony/Nintendo.
You're right. Nobody asked for it, Sony did it of their own accord because they actually value their customers. Have some self-respect for once, companies are supposed to serve consumers, not the other way around.
A consumer who actually valued their investment would take offense. If sony fcks up with my psn wallet, I will be on customer service within the minute because they had better refund me or their losing a customer. And they will, because they know they will lose a customer.
You're a consumer god dammit, your money has value!
I'm not excusing Sony and I'm not attacking Microsoft, this is about you and all the other people that have been letting MS get away with. They are a company, they will do whatever they can get away with. Its the consumer's responsibility to hold them accountable. You continue to defend MS when I'm critizing you're lack of action, and you're proving my point that all you do is get stepped on by MS.
I'm already paying the price for your inactivity. Now I have to pay for online because its ok for MS to do it. So I will have to get mad for you if you wish to simply consume rather than be informed and have self-worth as a customer, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank
J_Allard said: Wow so they not only gave the middle finger to US early adopters but rubbed it in by announcing it a couple months before the console was even out? Wow what dicks. I'm sure a fan base as loud and demanding and independent as Sonys was all up in arms over that? Oh wait I heard not a peep. Funny how that works.
You're deliberatly being facetious and are simply incredulous to my argument. But that's alright, I will continue to breakdown your foundation until you either realize its made of cardboard or until you fall threw, whatever works for you. Why would consumers be mad at others recieving consolation? Furthemore, those in Japan couldn't buy a Japanese ps4 before the Febuary, so its not even an issue concerning early adopters. Buying a Playstation 4, when Japan was allowed to get one, didn't get you Knack.
From your POV something like consolation must seem totally foreign to you so allow me to elaborate: When a company fcks up, they apologize in the form of added consoloation rather than just fixing the problem because they value their customer's support.
As a consumer, why do I care that Sony released the PS4 late in Japan? As a consumer, I see Buyer A getting a free game bundled with the console while I got nothing. If this was something that would bother me, I would be bothered whether it was Company A (MS) or Company B (Sony) doing it. What you're trying to say is fans should be pissed at Company A (MS) but hey guys relax its perfectly logical and cool guys relax! when it comes to Company B.
I understand consolation perfectly fine, seems you are confused on the whole "fucking up" part though. As a consumer I wouldn't expect extra shit if a console released late in the US. When Sega or MS gave me a few broken consoles I didn't demand anything extra. When Sony repeatedly charged my credit card for stupid services I never signed up for via PSN, I never demanded any extra reimbursement. Just now an hour ago Whataburger forgot my daughters chicken strip basket. I noticed about halfway home. I turned around and went back and got it. I didn't ask for any free cookies or a free drink or a refund. I couldn't imagine living life like that, looking for whatever handout I could get any time a company "wronged" me.
I paid a price for their product that at the time I deemed to be worth it. If something better comes along (like oh idk it ALWAYS DOES in consoles) then I have no one to blame but myself, not MS/Sony/Nintendo.
You're right. Nobody asked for it, Sony did it of their own accord because they actually value their customers. Have some self-respect for once, companies are supposed to serve consumers, not the other way around.
A consumer who actually valued their investment would take offense. If sony fcks up with my psn wallet, I will be on customer service within the minute because they had better refund me or their losing a customer. And they will, because they know they will lose a customer.
You're a consumer god dammit, your money has value!
I'm not excusing Sony and I'm not attacking Microsoft, this is about you and all the other people that have been letting MS get away with. They are a company, they will do whatever they can get away with. Its the consumer's responsibility to hold them accountable. You continue to defend MS when I'm critizing you're lack of action, and you're proving my point that all you do is get stepped on by MS.
I'm already paying the price for your inactivity. Now I have to pay for online because its ok for MS to do it. So I will have to get mad for you if you wish to simply consume rather than be informed and have self-worth as a customer, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Yep Sony always does everything by the costumer, thats why their tv's and computers are tanking. That's why I will never buy any of their products anymore because they treated me great.
J_Allard said: Wow so they not only gave the middle finger to US early adopters but rubbed it in by announcing it a couple months before the console was even out? Wow what dicks. I'm sure a fan base as loud and demanding and independent as Sonys was all up in arms over that? Oh wait I heard not a peep. Funny how that works.
You're deliberatly being facetious and are simply incredulous to my argument. But that's alright, I will continue to breakdown your foundation until you either realize its made of cardboard or until you fall threw, whatever works for you. Why would consumers be mad at others recieving consolation? Furthemore, those in Japan couldn't buy a Japanese ps4 before the Febuary, so its not even an issue concerning early adopters. Buying a Playstation 4, when Japan was allowed to get one, didn't get you Knack.
From your POV something like consolation must seem totally foreign to you so allow me to elaborate: When a company fcks up, they apologize in the form of added consoloation rather than just fixing the problem because they value their customer's support.
As a consumer, why do I care that Sony released the PS4 late in Japan? As a consumer, I see Buyer A getting a free game bundled with the console while I got nothing. If this was something that would bother me, I would be bothered whether it was Company A (MS) or Company B (Sony) doing it. What you're trying to say is fans should be pissed at Company A (MS) but hey guys relax its perfectly logical and cool guys relax! when it comes to Company B.
I understand consolation perfectly fine, seems you are confused on the whole "fucking up" part though. As a consumer I wouldn't expect extra shit if a console released late in the US. When Sega or MS gave me a few broken consoles I didn't demand anything extra. When Sony repeatedly charged my credit card for stupid services I never signed up for via PSN, I never demanded any extra reimbursement. Just now an hour ago Whataburger forgot my daughters chicken strip basket. I noticed about halfway home. I turned around and went back and got it. I didn't ask for any free cookies or a free drink or a refund. I couldn't imagine living life like that, looking for whatever handout I could get any time a company "wronged" me.
I paid a price for their product that at the time I deemed to be worth it. If something better comes along (like oh idk it ALWAYS DOES in consoles) then I have no one to blame but myself, not MS/Sony/Nintendo.
You're right. Nobody asked for it, Sony did it of their own accord because they actually value their customers. Have some self-respect for once, companies are supposed to serve consumers, not the other way around.
A consumer who actually valued their investment would take offense. If sony fcks up with my psn wallet, I will be on customer service within the minute because they had better refund me or their losing a customer. And they will, because they know they will lose a customer.
You're a consumer god dammit, your money has value!
I'm not excusing Sony and I'm not attacking Microsoft, this is about you and all the other people that have been letting MS get away with. They are a company, they will do whatever they can get away with. Its the consumer's responsibility to hold them accountable. You continue to defend MS when I'm critizing you're lack of action, and you're proving my point that all you do is get stepped on by MS.
I'm already paying the price for your inactivity. Now I have to pay for online because its ok for MS to do it. So I will have to get mad for you if you wish to simply consume rather than be informed and have self-worth as a customer, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Yep Sony always does everything by the costumer, thats why their tv's and computers are tanking. That's why I will never buy any of their products anymore because they treated me great.
This isn't about Sony or Microsoft.
Its about gamers. Hold Microsoft accountable. The illusion of competiton has gamers divided amongst each other about things as meaningless as console purchases. Unless Microsoft or Sony is using money to improve their value to me as a customer, then I don't give a damn whether or not they profit.
How could Microsoft let Sony buy Gaikai? Why does Xbox have to share Azure servers with Microsoft's other services, why has Microsoft sunk so much money into the Kinect 2.0, only to have 2-3 games developed for it? Whenever a thread gets made about how Sony is going to go bankrupt, fans like to joke about how MS is not going to go bankrupt, so what? Its not like they are making the illumiroom cheaper or dumping money into optimizing their dev kits. How can MS be the most capable and not outperform the competition?
But then again? Why would they? Microsoft could increase the XBL subscription and their consumer's would rush to their defense. I'm glad PS is whooping, Xbox's ass with these launch sales, because Xbox's consumer's sure as hell aren't going to keep them in line, its only because the PS was wary enough to watch the reaction of the gamer's who realized what Xbox was doing.
But I also, know its still early in the game, and anything can happen. And if Xbox finds the sweet spot with Titanfall or pricecut, I already know where the console gaming industry is headed.
Keep joking about how Sony Playstation Fans (especially when I hold no allegiance to any platform) are getting mad for Microsoft Xbox fans, when you don't realize how fucking sick that is. How J_allard couldn't understand why a company should compensate consumers for their fuck up, and instead asked me how it could be done. You mean to tell me that a gesture like 1000 Gamerpoints is to taxing on Microsoft? Something as simple as, "Hey, we value are fans and appreciate their buisneess here is some free games" rather than, "It looks like people are questioning our value proposition again. We'll just throw em some fable 1(a great game btw) and some old XBLA games and then they'll shut up."
Where is your sense of self-worth?
The only reason I'm even addressing this issue with you is because you to are a gamer and as such you deserve to stand up for yourself. And every single time, you let anyone of the big 3 or publishers get away with it, your harming the entire ecosystem. I am already dealing with the effects of it now. I didn't have Live on the Xbox, because I couldn't afford it, I didn't have it on the 360 because I didn't support it, and now I have to pay for PS+ because nobody said hey "Xbox if your gonna make us pay for online, at least give us some extra value and incentive."
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank
Man that doc is a funny lad...
I like his list of biased BS he did on page one... That was the funniest one...
to sum it up he thinks XBox owners are S&M addicts and PS4 are vanilla players... Fine by me, a little kink is always better...
man does he have time on his hand.. How many pages did he type on this thread alone??? doesn't he has game to play?? Or is he just a closet S&M addict too ... Hmmm???
Worse? More profit, gen over gen gains, and coasting on 2008 prices compared to PS3 price dropping $150 in the last 5 years, while also introducing their own gimped $200 model just to get to a "statistical tie". Ok buddy.
Getting off topic here. Point being MS can and does support their consoles when the environment allows them to be sustainable and thrive.
If it pleases you that MS made more money from its consumers than Sony then fair enough, but personally I care more about games and Sony kicked MS's ass at that, and thats why people were willing to spend more on Sony's console than Microsoft's.
You see it as a statistical tie, but it was the foundations for all the hype the PS4 got and a lot of the negativity xbox one got. The support you talk about has been non existant on xbox 360 compared to PS3.
and...
"ANYONE can and does support their consoles when the environment allows them to be sustainable and thrive."
fixed.
Fun fact: Metacritic has 360 with more 90+, 80-89, and 70-79 games then PS3.
Sorry buddy. XBLA was a beast, but hey back then you were probably too busy claiming that AAA games made indie games irrelevant to notice. But the results are there, 360 has a bigger and better library.
They never did to me. But when people like you take indies so seriously, I can understand why people use it as a +1 for PS4 over XB1. I dont agree with it though.
You're right. Nobody asked for it, Sony did it of their own accord because they actually value their customers. Have some self-respect for once, companies are supposed to serve consumers, not the other way around.
A consumer who actually valued their investment would take offense. If sony fcks up with my psn wallet, I will be on customer service within the minute because they had better refund me or their losing a customer. And they will, because they know they will lose a customer.
You're a consumer god dammit, your money has value!
I'm not excusing Sony and I'm not attacking Microsoft, this is about you and all the other people that have been letting MS get away with. They are a company, they will do whatever they can get away with. Its the consumer's responsibility to hold them accountable. You continue to defend MS when I'm critizing you're lack of action, and you're proving my point that all you do is get stepped on by MS.
I'm already paying the price for your inactivity. Now I have to pay for online because its ok for MS to do it. So I will have to get mad for you if you wish to simply consume rather than be informed and have self-worth as a customer, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
LOL oh yeah free Knack, the lowest rated next gen game from Sony (or MS for that matter). Clearly they value the consumers.
Of course, that's fantasy talk. They value consumers who give them money. And what better way to entice people to give them monies than by digitally bundling a shitty game that would otherwise not sell that much? And in a territory that has been declines every generation in console business. In reality, what Sony did with Japan is no different than what MS did with the Xbox One. They added value to the console to spur more sales. In each situation there are early adopters who bought the same console but got none of that bonus.
Sony did "refund" my money one time. Of course, Sony's version of a refund is where they take that money that they took off your debit/credit card, and put it back in your PSN wallet. Which means, of course, in the end, you're still stuck spending that money on their network. It's not really a refund. The last time they did this I told them I want a real actual refund or they'd lose a customer. They declined, and I haven't renewed my PS+ membership or spent a penny on PSN content since. One of the main reasons I couldn't care less about a PS4 right now, too. And when my "repaired" 360 console from MS lasted a few hours before RROD'ing again, I told them if my returned console got the RROD again they would lose me as a consumer. My return unit was a new console with an updated chip set and the RROD was no longer an issue. Maybe people just have different opinions and get upset over different things? Maybe different strokes for different folks? That almost seems too simple.
I am aware you are talking about Sony fans and MS fans. Every post I have made in reply has been from a consumer point of view. You're just looking at things through selective glasses, and that makes you wrong. Can't make it any simpler for you, and now we're veering back into the same type of conversation we were having earlier, so toodles.
