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Should Nintendo offer a WiiU SKU without the Gamepad?

Yes, their best option at this point. 164 47.13%
 
No, the negatives outweigh the cheaper price. 183 52.59%
 
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archbrix on 17 February 2014
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
archbrix said:

The problem is that even with the Gamepad included with every console, Nintendo hasn't been making it a necessity for their vision of game design.  None of the Marios need it, WW can be played with the pro, Pikmin 3 plays best with a Wiimote, Donkey Kong does NOTHING with its features to enchance the game and Mario Kart, Smash, and Zelda will all surely function just fine without it.  Bayo 2?  X?  The prospects of a Wii Sports 3?  

Personally, I was looking forward to software that couldn't be done without it but so far we have pretty much only Nintendoland and ZombiU, since games like Rayman and W101 could've worked just fine without it.  If the console were selling fine then it wouldn't be an issue but is it really worth the mandatory inclusion driving up the cost of the console at this point with all of the big games coming out this year and Nintendo's profits continuing to suffer?

 

If you played PIkmin 3 you'd know that the game is best Played with the WiiMote AND the gamepad. The gamepad is a second screen

I plut the gamepad under my TV and play it like DS. Pick up the screen when I gotta see interact with something

Oh, I know.  I always used the Gamepad for playing Pikmin 3 (finished it without a single casualty, BTW), and like I mentioned before I'll never play WWHD without it.  I'm not trying to dissuade people from seeing how it can enhance games.

What I'm talking about is software built around the idea of the Gamepad exclusively; something akin to Nintendoland but better - and a lot more of it.  Unlike the Wii, Nintendo just hasn't given us those things on WiiU that make you realize why they designed their console around this dynamic in the first place and that is worrying; particularly when it drives up the price of the console as a mandatory inclusion.



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 17 February 2014
archbrix said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
archbrix said:

The problem is that even with the Gamepad included with every console, Nintendo hasn't been making it a necessity for their vision of game design.  None of the Marios need it, WW can be played with the pro, Pikmin 3 plays best with a Wiimote, Donkey Kong does NOTHING with its features to enchance the game and Mario Kart, Smash, and Zelda will all surely function just fine without it.  Bayo 2?  X?  The prospects of a Wii Sports 3?  

Personally, I was looking forward to software that couldn't be done without it but so far we have pretty much only Nintendoland and ZombiU, since games like Rayman and W101 could've worked just fine without it.  If the console were selling fine then it wouldn't be an issue but is it really worth the mandatory inclusion driving up the cost of the console at this point with all of the big games coming out this year and Nintendo's profits continuing to suffer?

 

If you played PIkmin 3 you'd know that the game is best Played with the WiiMote AND the gamepad. The gamepad is a second screen

I plut the gamepad under my TV and play it like DS. Pick up the screen when I gotta see interact with something

Oh, I know.  I always used the Gamepad for playing Pikmin 3 (finished it without a single casualty, BTW), and like I mentioned before I'll never play WWHD without it.  I'm not trying to dissuade people from seeing how it can enhance games.

What I'm talking about is software built around the idea of the Gamepad exclusively; something akin to Nintendoland but better - and a lot more of it.  Unlike the Wii, Nintendo just hasn't given us those things on WiiU that make you realize why they designed their console around this dynamic in the first place and that is worrying; particularly when it drives up the price of the console as a mandatory inclusion.

Deus Ex? ZombiU? Nintendo said they'd reveal more of these games at E3. They also have NFC games. and Gamepad is ace for the Virtual console.

Zelda and Metroid should use the gamepad alot.

Read my edit I go full in depth



archbrix on 17 February 2014
vivster said:
archbrix said:
vivster said:
Same problem like MS dropping Kinect. If they did that they would have nothing on the competition and seem even worse in comparison.

They would have Nintendo exclusives and a $199 price.  That's two very important things that the competition doesn't have.

The competition also doesn't have the same shape of the box. Your point?

People don't buy consoles solely for Software. Especially not people who never bought that system before. All 3 consoles have great exclusive software and 2 of them even have 3rd party games. If Nintendo games weren't enough so far they won't do the trick in a cheaper box. Without the new controller the customers will really be wondering why they don't just buy the much cheaper Wii.

My point is simple, despite the fact that you obviously missed it.

People do buy Nintendo consoles for software, plain and simple.  Why else would they?  They're not multimedia devices.

Did you ever think that maybe Nintendo games aren't enough so far because the console is still pricier than any Nintendo console before it, despite having dropped $50?

Why not just buy the much cheaper Wii?  Oh, I don't know... maybe because they stopped making games for it?

If someone isn't interested in buying a Nintendo console in the first place, how is keeping the Gamepad included at a higher price going to change that?  Your argument makes no sense.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 17 February 2014

 

Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
kidvizious said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkD said:
leo-j said:
Not when most games use it.. Might as well buy a ps3.. Since that has better online, is cheaper, and has more games coming to it


Sony games are all Shooters, Sports and the odd RPG.  With that kinda crappy variety, I would probably have a smaller gaming catalogue than I did on the PS2.  PS2 gave me the least enjoyment of any console I've ever owned....  I wish I had gotten the gamecube instead back then...  Even now I have like 5 games for PS2 and almost 10 on the Wii U, and playstation was the only console I had that generation.  So don't give me that fanboy bullshit.

As for the question in the thread, unfortunately yes they should.  One of Wii's big features was its low price, and Wii U's pricetag is practically competing with the PS4.  The tablet isn't that essential to most of the games on the Wii U and I think a lot of developers are using it in places they shouldn't.  If a innovation is going to be mandatory, then it needs to wow people first.  The gamepad didn't wow many people, even if it's an improvement for many games, its not a necessity for them.  

Silly Billy, you can't make ignorant claims like that and not expect to get called out for them.

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

Stop being a fanboy and generalizing a system. Do you like when people call the Wii U a "kiddie system"? No. So don't do it to others. Makes you look like you just joined the gaming community.

It'd be one thing if Nintendo was making bratz games with AAA money behind it but they're not :p

Sony however?

What is Infamous? A TPS ( OpenuWaruuudoooo)

What is the Order? A TPS

What is Uncharted A TPS

What is The Last of Us? A TPS

Sony is where you go if you want art games(from Sony Japan and Media MOlecule) or Adventure games with teh Gunz

Their other stuff includes sports, racers, White Knight Chronicles,  Little big planet/Sly/Clank, God of War

Nintendo?

Got teh mario teh donkey kong and teh kirby for teh platformers

Got teh batallion wars, da advance wars, da fire emblem and da odama for strategy

got teh punch out, fzero machrider, all sorts of shit for their sports and racing lines

got teh Starfox and teh steel diver and teh metroid for shooting shit

not doing the shit with their horror ips

got teh rpg franchises out the ass, however tjree of them arent doing much of anything (somabringer,Golden Sun, Mother)

Got random shit like Custom robo,Chibi Robo, Clu clu retro crap. Pretty much they got a crap ton of these

^Shit ton of puzzle games. ALL OUT THE ASS WITH THE PUZZLE GAMES. Wario Ware being a big one.

Got teh Zelda and Takamaru,Star tropics for Action and Adventure.

Got teh 75 franchises they sit on above. About 13 or so not being used from retro era

 

Sorry, but this isn't convincing. Your being biased towards Nintendo.
Compare the entire libraries, not just Sony's 1st parties.



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DarkD on 17 February 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

 

Sorry, but this isn't convincing. Your being biased towards Nintendo.
Compare the entire libraries, not just Sony's 1st parties.


You're just being picky for the sake of not admitting its a generic library catering to a singular audience.   It throws the odd bones out to the other audiences, but primarily our generalization is dead on the money.  If you have to think about the answer and look up the names, then you've already lost.  We shouldn't have to research to find a good list of games not in those categories.  



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archbrix on 17 February 2014
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

Deus Ex? ZombiU? Nintendo said they'd reveal more of these games at E3. They also have NFC games. and Gamepad is ace for the Virtual console.

Zelda and Metroid should use the gamepad alot.

Read my edit I go full in depth

I just read your edit and you're wrong in your assumption that I lack imagination regarding the Gamepad's potential.  I've thought of things like this since the WiiU was announced.  The problem is that Nintendo doesn't seem to have so far.

As I've already mentioned I see great potential for what the Gamepad offers but again, most of the things you bring up are enhancements to games instead of ideas built around its features.  I want that too, but I'm talking software that demonstrates the GP the way Wii Sports did for the Wiimote.

As far as E3, I'll gladly retract my idea of separating the Gamepad IF Nintendo does indeed show reasons why I should.  Mario Kart track editor?  Great.  X menu control?  Already though of that myself.  I hope they do, but the idea that Nintendo launched the Gamepad as their new big idea with Nintendoland as a their flagship title doesn't exactly bode well for a potential waterfall of ideas.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 17 February 2014

How is asking for a full comparison being picky?
Consider the gamer who has just started gaming this generation, to them each platform will be defined by the only games they know.
Nintendo = Mario, Zelda, Maybe DK
Xbox = Halo, Maybe Gears
Playstation = Uncharted, Maybe GTA

Generalizations aren't really valid in this context and you are just moving goal posts because you claimed Playstation only had shooters, sports games, and rpgs out of ignorance and bias.

but don't you think has spiraled way off topic.

Clearly software is not helping the Wii U and neither is sitting on IPs, a Gamepadless SKU wouldn't really help the Wii U cause its not addressing the problem.



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archbrix on 17 February 2014
FarleyMcFirefly said:
DevilRising said:
Most people that say that don't own a Wii U, and haven't spent time with the controller. Most people I know who actually have, tend to like it.

And this is about the 16th thread to state "Wii U should drop GamePad".


This, its rather annoying.

*sigh*

I can't speak for the other 15 threads you people are referring to but this one is not about dropping the Gamepad.  It's about offering an alternate SKU without it as an option to people.



DarkD on 17 February 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
How is asking for a full comparison being picky?
Consider the gamer who has just started gaming this generation, to them each platform will be defined by the only games they know.
Nintendo = Mario, Zelda, Maybe DK
Xbox = Halo, Maybe Gears
Playstation = Uncharted, Maybe GTA

Generalizations aren't really valid in this context and you are just moving goal posts because you claimed Playstation only had shooters, sports games, and rpgs out of ignorance and bias.

but don't you think has spiraled way off topic.

Clearly software is not helping the Wii U and neither is sitting on IPs, a Gamepadless SKU wouldn't really help the Wii U cause its not addressing the problem.


I think you just countered my argument with a vague example not really indicating anything.  

Yes you are being picky, even if there are 10 or even 20 games which fit the requirements I asked of earlier, how many of those random games do you think would even appeal to someone who isn't interested in those other genres?  maybe 3?  So now that person has a gaming catalog of ... 3 games... 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 17 February 2014

The problem with using arbitrary filters to define what constitutes games that it is both subjective and changing goalposts from the initial claim.
For example, what if some one only likes mech simulators?
Playstation has Armored Core.
X and TitanFall unfortunately aren't mech simulators, they are more like games with mechs.



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