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curl-6 on 05 February 2014
NeoRatt said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

MS, Sony, and Nintendo are still manufacturing their 7th gen consoles, so they obviously don't think the race has ended.  What we are bickering about is when the race ends.  History will judge the 7th gen race on when the consoles quit being manufactured.  That is how every generation has been judged to date.

Its that simple.

If they started selling N64s again and managed to sell more than the PS1 in total, it still wouldn't have won the 5th gen, any more than Germany can retroactively win WW2. PS4, Xbone, and Wii U are out now; the 8th gen has begun, the 7th is in the past.

They haven't stopped manufacturing their 7th gen consoles yet.  If Nintendo restarted manufacturing N64's nobody would count them because the product was declared retired a long time ago.  Germany threw up the white flag for WW II.  None of the 7th generation console manufacturers have stopped manufacturing or threw in the white towel yet.

In fact, 360 is looking like one of its best years in the last 3-5...  They have put out Halo Spartan Assault, Fable Anniversary, and will ship Max Curse of Brotherhood and World of Tanks next week.  Not to mention the Warface beta is starting and in March they will have Titanfall.  And in September 360 users will get Destiny.  I don't know how that shows the 7th gen is over.

The PS3 is also getting a good lineup of exclusive and multi-platform content. 

If the gen is over, someone sure forgot to tell the console manufacturers that.

Releasing the PS4/Xbone/Wii U is their white flag; it's the 8th gen now.



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DevilRising on 06 February 2014
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 


Yet the gap between U and PS4 is similar to the gap between Wii and PS3...


No, it's actually significantly smaller. Quite a bit so, actually.

There were games PS3 had that Wii basically just couldn't do, not at those graphics or hardware-task levels anyway. There won't really be much of that with Wii U, because it's more a matter of scalable engines now. There were engines that straight up probably had trouble running on Wii hardware. That is not going to be the case with Wii U. PS4 will have shinier games with perhaps more shit going on at once. But there isn't really going to be much significant that Wii U WON'T be able to also do, at a scaled level.



fps_d0minat0r on 06 February 2014
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

MS, Sony, and Nintendo are still manufacturing their 7th gen consoles, so they obviously don't think the race has ended.  What we are bickering about is when the race ends.  History will judge the 7th gen race on when the consoles quit being manufactured.  That is how every generation has been judged to date.

Its that simple.

If they started selling N64s again and managed to sell more than the PS1 in total, it still wouldn't have won the 5th gen, any more than Germany can retroactively win WW2. PS4, Xbone, and Wii U are out now; the 8th gen has begun, the 7th is in the past.

They are not talking about retarting a race, just finishing one which never ended. Just because one competitor lost its legs after running too fast, it doesnt mean the others which were well paced cant beat it.



drake4 on 06 February 2014
DevilRising said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 


Yet the gap between U and PS4 is similar to the gap between Wii and PS3...


No, it's actually significantly smaller. Quite a bit so, actually.

There were games PS3 had that Wii basically just couldn't do, not at those graphics or hardware-task levels anyway. There won't really be much of that with Wii U, because it's more a matter of scalable engines now. There were engines that straight up probably had trouble running on Wii hardware. That is not going to be the case with Wii U. PS4 will have shinier games with perhaps more shit going on at once. But there isn't really going to be much significant that Wii U WON'T be able to also do, at a scaled level.


 its actually not http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136756&page=1# and the wiiu would blow up trying to run something lke witcher 3 or the division. they would have to make an all new engine.



Kane1389 on 06 February 2014
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 


Yet the gap between U and PS4 is similar to the gap between Wii and PS3...

Actually it isn't.

Two huge factors, SD to HD, and programmable shaders, separated Wii and PS3. There are no such fundamental divides between Wii U and PS4. 


Actually, the gap between the GPU, CPU, RAM and almost everything else is much much bigger. Nintendo really outdid themselves this time, and whats amazing is that they are the only ones losing money per console sold.



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Fifaguy360 on 06 February 2014

You have to come back to this question at the end of the NG console's life to see how much of a leap it truly was.

They haven't even got started on maxing out the abilities and bringing OS enhancements etc. So much to be achieved still.



Conina on 06 February 2014
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

If the gen is over, someone sure forgot to tell the console manufacturers that.

Releasing the PS4/Xbone/Wii U is their white flag; it's the 8th gen now.

The white flag?

"In all championships which use the FIA International Sporting Code, as well as North American road racing, the white flag indicates the presence of an official car or a competitor moving at below normal speed"

Did they wave the white flag for the slow Wii?

"In NASCAR, IndyCar, North American motorcycle road racing, and most American forms of motorsports, a white flag displayed at the starter's stand indicates the start of the final lap of the race."

Or has the final lap just begun? That would be even worse for the Wii, if it ran out of juice in the last lap: did not finish!

Perhaps it is not a race with a predefined number of laps but an endurance competition where the winner is, who goes the farthest.

And why does one race automatically end when a different new race with other competitors starts, even if some or all of the new competitors have the same sponsors  (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft).



Areym on 06 February 2014

Sounds reasonable.



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brendude13 on 06 February 2014
curl-6 said:
JoeTheBro said:
I disagree.

Wii to Wii U is about the same as PS2 to PS3, right?

Well to me PS3 to PS4 is greater than PS2 to PS3. It'll take time to really know though. These systems just launched.

PS4 won't see the massive graphical improvement across it's lifespan that  PS3 did though, because it's easy to program for out of the gate.

So was the 360 though.



etking on 06 February 2014

The Wii-U hardware should have arrived 7 years ago. Today it is just outdated and cannot even compete with PS3 or Xbox360 because of the weak CPU. The GPU ist nice but a good GPU ist not enough.