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Which will win?

Mayweather 43 58.90%
 
Pacquiao 16 21.92%
 
LOL Bradley LOL 4 5.48%
 
Total:63

Two years ago I would have said Pacquiao. Now I have to go with Mayweather.



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cannonballZ said:
When I saw the Canelo vs Trout fight, which I totally thought Trout won, I knew Canelo would be mayweathers next challenger.

Why? Because Canelo put on a mediocre show, he was running most of the time. He might have knocked trout down, but I thought trout definitely won more rounds. Mayweather dominated him just like I predicted. Canelo swung and missed so many times he's now known as Canelo "air-bender" Alvarez. I can't believe anyone thought canelo ever had a chance against Mayweather.

Mayweather's promoters and Mayweather himself tend to cherry pick their fights. I think Mayweather has a lot of talent and absolutely deserves to be recognized as pound for pound champ, but he avoids fights. He's not the only one that does it, but he certainly talks a lot of smack for someone that won't take risky fights.

Honestly, I think he will beat Paquiao if they fight now. Pacquiao had a chance of definitely beating him years ago, but he doesn't seem like the same fighter anymore. Mayweather is still at the top of his game. He hasn't showed much of slowing down, he still has tremendous speed and agility. But he won't fight anyone that shows potential of winning.

Marquez vs Pacquiao, yea, that was a lucky shot. And at the same time I feel he is a remarkable counter puncher and definitely executed that counter perfectly. I don't think he expected that outcome though. Marquez knows that and doesn't want to fight him anymore. He was being dominated in that fight.

Bradley? Man, I stopped watching him years ago, boring fighter. I honestly thought that Pac won that fight too. And he will beat Bradley in their next match.

What do you think of the possible upcoming match between Mayweather and Khan?

Canelo performance was ridiculous. HE TRIED TO OUTBOX FLOYD?!?!?

Instead of putting pressure with a strong jab and push him to the ropes like Cotto did, he tried to outbox Floyd which in a million years could achieve. Hes just too slow for Money.

Mayweather vs Pac today is a easy victory for Money by unanious. May vs Pac in 2008 after the Pac vs Cotto slaughter...buffff. Pac was VERY strong then. I really dont see how Money could really stand all those accurate yet powerful and fast puches without going into a brawl. And Manny is brawler by nature, Money is not...

I give Pac the edge in 2008 honestly.

Bradley is a pussy period. Claiming that he won fair and square against Pac instead of being a man and honest and accept he lost and judges made a mistake. You know jedges are humans and are allowed to make mistakes too. He lost the respect i had for him, because he put up a decent fight against Pac.

I see May vs Khan a dodge, clinch, shlouder-roll, counter-fest as always. Khan is fast but i dont think he has the soul. plus hes not in his prime and Money know that.



kidvizious said:

Jeez. I can tell people are new to boxing.

 

1. Of course Sergio is going to say he'll come down to 154. But the fact remains that he's a middleweight. Why doesn't Sergio go up to fight Ward or even Golovkin for that matter? He's calling out much smaller fighters. Is Martinez a coward? Hell, Hopkins was saying he'll come down to 160 to fight Floyd. Like wut?

 

2. You are implying that a man that gets paid millions to hit other people is scared of Manny Pacquiao? The guy that got knocked out by JMM, who is my favorite fighter and a legend but got toyed with by Floyd, is going to beat Floyd? Really?

 

3. Do you remember the fabulous 4? Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, and Thomas Hearns? They were the best in their time and guess what? They ALL FOUGHT EACH OTHER!!

Things are different now. We have 2 major promotional companies that are in a cold war with each other. It's not about Floyd being scared of Manny or vice versa. None of these guys are scared. They are in a controlled fight that will be stopped when necessary by the ref. There isn't anything to be scared of. 

Just stop with the "scared" talk.

 

4. The fight will only happen if and when Manny leaves Top Rank. (Which he won't cause he's Bob Arum's bitch that can't stand up for himself). Oscar left, Floyd left, Cotto left, all PPV stars and the only PPV star that is still on a leash with Top Rank is Manny. People wanted Floyd vs. Oscar and Bob wouldn't let it him. Floyd left, the fight happened. People wanted Cotto vs. Floyd for the longest time. Bob didn't let it happen. As soon as Cotto left the fight was made instantly.

 

5. Pac needs to accept 30 million at this point, leave Arum, take the lopsided loss, and retire. That's it.

 

6. Nihilist, "DESTROYING" doesn't make you P4P number 1. Winning every single time convinvingly does which Pac has failed to do.

Not destroying them sure deos make the best P$P LOL.

Pac is the better fighter period. Mayweather is abetter sportsman/boxer ill give you that. Still Pacman has improved a lot his skill since hes with Roach, hes very skill now goin in and out and throwing angles constantly.

In a street fight Pac will win no doubt.

I agree that TODAY Pac would lose. BUt man when Pac was trashing all thos top fighters....



Well if he tried to brawl Floyd he'd just get countered much more. I feel he locked up and didn't know what to do. And Floyd was on point that night. Extremely sharp.

 

Floyd vs Pac in 2000. Floyd

Floyd vs Pac in 2001. Floyd

Floyd vs Pac in 2002. Floyd

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Floyd vs Pac in 2008. Floyd. I don't see how Pac would beat Floyd. Pac has been, is, and always will be in trouble against counter punchers. Which Floyd is the best counter puncher in the sport and best defensive fighter.

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Floyd still wins every year. Boxing will win against brawling. Simple as that.

Now Bradley, I don't like the guy. Lol. But he has shown tremendous heart, adversity, and ability to adjust. Yeah, Pac got robbed but what did you expect Bradley to do? Hand over the belt and apologize to Pac for showing up and fighting? Supernihilist, you call Bradley a pussy which is just disrespectful to a fighter. The guy is a world champion and I'm sure would beat the piss out of all of us rather quickly.

 

Khan vs. Floyd, yeah, that's a "stay busy" fight. Floyd by lopsided decision or KO.



Winning every time convincingly does make you P4P. Ward doesn't "destroy" his opponents but he dominates and controls the whole fight. That is why he is generally accepted as 2nd in the P4P list.

 

This isn't a street fight. This is boxing. You can fantasize/imagine all you want about what would happen in a street fight but this is boxing, not a street fight. Pac is the better fighter. You are right. But Floyd is the better boxer and frankly, the sport is "Boxing". Yes, thrashing weight drained, left overs, from Floyd. Basically sloppy seconds.

 

You need to stop looking for "bLood! Hardcorez! OMG!" and learn to appreciate the finesse, skill, brutality, mental thinking, and everything else that goes into the sport.

 

Yes, but Roach hasn't done anything to help Pac against counter punches. Which Floyd is.



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supernihilist said:

Canelo performance was ridiculous. HE TRIED TO OUTBOX FLOYD?!?!?

Instead of putting pressure with a strong jab and push him to the ropes like Cotto did, he tried to outbox Floyd which in a million years could achieve. Hes just too slow for Money.

Mayweather vs Pac today is a easy victory for Money by unanious. May vs Pac in 2008 after the Pac vs Cotto slaughter...buffff. Pac was VERY strong then. I really dont see how Money could really stand all those accurate yet powerful and fast puches without going into a brawl. And Manny is brawler by nature, Money is not...

I give Pac the edge in 2008 honestly.

Bradley is a pussy period. Claiming that he won fair and square against Pac instead of being a man and honest and accept he lost and judges made a mistake. You know jedges are humans and are allowed to make mistakes too. He lost the respect i had for him, because he put up a decent fight against Pac.

I see May vs Khan a dodge, clinch, shlouder-roll, counter-fest as always. Khan is fast but i dont think he has the soul. plus hes not in his prime and Money know that.


I agree with you 100%. 

 

Khan should be pretty easy for Mayweather. I can't see Khan winning, he's fast but doesn't have the skill level of Mayweather and also has a glass jaw. And your right, he doesn't have the soul for it. 

Have you seen Broner's recent headlines?

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/1/26/5346780/adrien-broner-since-i-lost-everybody-feels-like-floyd-mayweather-lost

That boy is delusional. 



Damn, Maidana really left some permanent damage on him.



kidvizious said:

Winning every time convincingly does make you P4P. Ward doesn't "destroy" his opponents but he dominates and controls the whole fight. That is why he is generally accepted as 2nd in the P4P list.

 

This isn't a street fight. This is boxing. You can fantasize/imagine all you want about what would happen in a street fight but this is boxing, not a street fight. Pac is the better fighter. You are right. But Floyd is the better boxer and frankly, the sport is "Boxing". Yes, thrashing weight drained, left overs, from Floyd. Basically sloppy seconds.

 

You need to stop looking for "bLood! Hardcorez! OMG!" and learn to appreciate the finesse, skill, brutality, mental thinking, and everything else that goes into the sport.

 

Yes, but Roach hasn't done anything to help Pac against counter punches. Which Floyd is.

Instead of making assumtion of what i like and such why dont you pay attention to what i say?

I love Moneys boxing, i love boxing as a fact, finesse and skill are my fav way of winning. I didnt like Pac before Roach. He was a brawler that threw the one-two to the jaw all the time. Roach said it himself. Pac before him didn know shit about boxing.

Pac in 2008 is just a boxing machine. His per formances against much bigger opponents were astounding. His boxing skills were number 2 only second to Floyd, but he had so much heart and was phisically a beast. His style of in and out and angles wouldve hurt Floyd, im sure of that. I still think Floyd wouldve played defense and probably wouldve won by decision. but only probably, like 60/40 %.

I think Pac is better against counteres than it was back then when Marquez vs Pac 1. Marquez was lucky last time face it. Pac lost balance with Marquez fot which lead to Pac falling to his big right, that wouve not landed otherwise. Pac was destroying Marquez like he did with Cotto, Margarito, De la Hoya, Mosley...the same guys Money had trouble with.



kidvizious said:

Damn, Maidana really left some permanent damage on him.


He has no chance of winning that rematch either. He should take Floyd's advice and move on.

I thought his first loss would humble him a little more than it has. 



Pac in 2008 is a boxer-puncher. Not a pure boxer. Actually, Pac as a boxer was behind Floyd and Marquez. Yes, his performances against weight drained fighters were astrounding. I doubt Floyd would have been hurt. To actually hurt Floyd, you need huge power in the 1st or 2nd round. After that, you can say bye bye to hurting Floyd. The only time Floyd has been hurt is in his fight against Mosley in round 2.

 

His style would be perfect for Floyd. As soon as he'd come in he would get a nice right hand counter to the face. Especially with Floyd's reach advantage and you have a white wash waiting to happen. Pac is too small in every sense of the word. And this may be hard to believe but Pac doesn't have 1 punch knock out power. He has acummalitive power which breaks down his opponents with a a barrage of punches. Floyd would have won 8 rounds to 4 with no knockdowns.

 

Marquez wasn't "lucky". Luck doesn't play a role at the upper echelons of the sport. Marquez didn't throw a "lucky" punch. He threw a well timed, carefully calculated counter punch which he had been working on over and over and actually landed plenty of times in previous fights. This time he landed it perfectly at the right time and right spot. I guess Pac was lucky to have KO'd Hatton as was Floyd. Please. Just stop with this "luck" nonsense. Marquez was hurt in round 5. Not destroyed, but hurt.

 

If, but, could've, shoud've. Just stop with the excuses. Marquez put him to sleep and had previously rocked him in round 3, and landed a monstrous right counter punch in round 5. Then he sealed the deal with the punch and knockout of the century.