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Madword said:
KingofTrolls said:

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 

This is a discussion ( discussion this is a very nice thing indeed =) ) site, where people generally ( wait a minute, they said only Ethomaz do this shit)throw their opinions around as fact... I can fully understand people suggesting ( prove it or do not resposne ! Ethomaz fantasy world ! Ethochartz ! he provide evidence, he didnt intially, but that evidence he did supply isn't real numbers( can ANYBODY do it right here right now ? ) it is anecdotal evidence.... and I will say again, I think its good evidence to suggest that PS4 has more of a better sales curves, but ultimately ( i agree ) it will depend on how much Sony is shipping, and we don't yet know. So let's wait and see :)  ( Sure thing, but all the evidence proves Sony sold more. There is no evidence that MS sold more - except VG numbers)

Fuck me, i check this site's rules. Ehthomaz have not break any rule of this site ( not provide/deliver the evidence is not this, also there is no rule that any user have to listen to others ), also there is absolutely no ban if u dont believe VG numbers as true numbers. 

What is a good reason to ban ? Insulting others, do u wanna know who insult etho today ? There is a few of them. Unfortunately all of them are not a,, stupid fanboys' like Ethomaz. No, they are very good debater, every one of them use only fact in their speech ( nobody proves that PS4 can not outsell X1 in USA hurr duh )

Fuck me, the whole shitstorm was because Ethomaz disagree to VGC numbers. Said that they are wrong. Nobody give any reason to defend VGC numbers say ,, VGC numbers are correct because .., only bashing him. This is why I am a advocatus diaboli now. It is so easy to bash one person, when u are with ur comrades.

Hey, I really wanna see kowenicki's answer now.

 

Sorry for bolded part, but I just have to. Justice will be served.



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KingofTrolls said:
Madword said:
KingofTrolls said:

He didnt post it till later - this ,, later " means a few pages with a very good amount of Caps Lock, some nice theories about his person,his  brain/mind, only a liittle insult to him + the only one threat of report for break this site rules. Thankfully, he do not care about it like the real man does. And yes, I can prove that my words are true fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

 

This is a discussion ( discussion this is a very nice thing indeed =) ) site, where people generally ( wait a minute, they said only Ethomaz do this shit)throw their opinions around as fact... I can fully understand people suggesting ( prove it or do not resposne ! Ethomaz fantasy world ! Ethochartz !he provide evidence, he didnt intially, but that evidence he did supply isn't real numbers( can ANYBODY do it right here right now ? ) it is anecdotal evidence.... and I will say again, I think its good evidence to suggest that PS4 has more of a better sales curves, but ultimately ( i agree ) it will depend on how much Sony is shipping, and we don't yet know. So let's wait and see :)  ( Sure thing, but all the evidence proves Sony sold more. There is no evidence that MS sold more )

Fuck me, i check this site's rules. Ehthomaz have not break any rule of this site ( not provide/deliver the evidence is not this, also there is no rule that any user have to listen to others ), also there is absolutely no ban if u dont believe VG numbers as true numbers. 

What is a good reason for ban ? Insulting others, do u wanna know who insult etho today ? There is a few of them. Unfortunately all of them are not a,, stupid fanboys' like Ethomaz. No, they are very good debater, every one of them use only fact in their speech ( nobody proves that PS4 can not outsell X1 in USA hurr duh )

Fuck me, the whole shitstorm was because Ethomaz disagree to VGC numbers. Said that they are wrong. Nobody give any reason to defend VGC numbers say ,, VGC numbers are correct because .., only bashing him. This is why I am a advocatus diaboli now. It is so easy to bash one person, when u are with ur comrades.

Hey, I really wanna see kowenicki's answer now.

 

Sorry for bolded part, but I just have to. Justice will be served.

Woah.. calm down mate. I am trying to be civil and have a sensible discussion about the difference about facts/anecdotal evidence and NPD, no need to go all crazy on me. :) 

  • There is no crapstorm, I did not at any point defend/attack VG numbers. I said (if you can be bothered to find it) that there are *always* changes in January, as estimating sales is never a precise process and as such NPD is what everyone should wait for.
  • Also I am not bashing him at all, in fact if you could be bothered to read what you bolded, I actually agree with him.
  • Ethomaz can actually talk for himself, I dont think he needs you to defend him
  • I have no idea what Ethochartz is that people are going on about, and that was the point of another poster, he wanted more info.. rather than "google it"
  • No one should use the word "Fact" for opinion or anecdotal evidence. Fact is the truth, we will only get the truth when NPD releases information, not when people put together evidence.
  • Finally if you just stopped getting all crazy, this whole thread would probably just get back on track

Perhaps we can put this conversation away now, as all we are doing is going around in circles... it really is pointless, and I should be doing my accounts right now, and not wasting my time here :D



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The way vgchartz gets their figures is laughable. I could make figures up then change them when NPD/Sony/Microsoft give figures too! I am wondering if this site is secretly sponsored by Microsoft now. Say anything against Microsoft...ban...sad and pathetic

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binary solo said:
ethomaz said:

kowenicki said:

FFS you dont get it do you?

We arent saying you are wrong.

We want you to prove that you are right.  You said you have evidence.  If you havent got it then fine.  Don't reply with another meaningless statement.

Only reply IF YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE.    Something happening in the future isnt evidence... its a hope.

I need to repeat how many time? The evidences will the the own NPD... Jan 16th... it was my first reply two days ago.

What other evidence you need? I really don't know other trackers services in US... unless you want he Best Selling list in Amazon and Gamestop (that shows PS4 outselling Xbone too in both).

Reliable objective  information, that may or may not confirm your claim, that is not available at the time you make a claim is not evidence. So stop saying the evidence for your claim is NPD 16 January. The certainty with which you are making your claim needs to be backed up with actual reliable, objective information that is available now. You clearly don't have that information so it makes your claim spurious and mischevious.

The interesting thing is, pretty much everyone who's been criticising your approach here is right regardless of whether NPD is within a margin for error of VGC or if NPD is vastly different from VGC in favour of PS4. But if NPD backs up VGC data then you will be so monumentally wrong that I think nothing less than an apology thread will be called for, in which you post a video of you actually eating a crow, which will have to be feathers on otherwise it could just be a chicken. And you will have to say your VGC name in the video otherwise it could just be some random youtube video of a guy eating a crow. So are you prepared to do this if NPD and VGC are close?

Note, no one has said NPD won't show PS4>Xb one, and no one has said NPD won't show PS4>>Xb one to the extent that VGC is pretty much forced to make an adjustment. All anyone has asked for and you've failed to provide is evidence that is available now. So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

Perfect summary.  I have no idea what Kingoftrolls is rambling on about.



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Madword said:

Woah.. calm down mate. I am trying to be civil and have a sensible discussion about the difference about facts/anecdotal evidence and NPD, no need to go all crazy on me. :) 

  • There is no crapstorm, I did not at any point (I agree ) defend/attack VG numbers. I said (if you can be bothered to find it) that there are *always* changes in January, as estimating sales is never a precise process and as such NPD is what everyone should wait for.
  • Also I am not bashing him at all ( I agree ), in fact if you could be bothered to read what you bolded, I actually agree with him.
  • Ethomaz can actually talk for himself, I dont think he needs you to defend him ( I like discussion, also I am the person who said that Ethomaz is right. 
  • I have no idea what Ethochartz is that people are going on about, and that was the point of another poster, he wanted more info.. rather than "google it"( I know who said it, it was not u 100 % )
  • No one should use the word "Fact" ( u killed me now :D ) for opinion or anecdotal evidence. Fact is the truth, we will only get the truth when NPD releases information, not when people put together evidence.
  • Finally if you just stopped getting all crazy, this whole thread would probably just get back on track (I agree again )

Perhaps we can put this conversation away now, as all we are doing is going around in circles... it really is pointless, and I should be doing my accounts right now, and not wasting my time here :D

Smart guy u are=) I Have not mention u in any part before.

U know what is the very best thing in it ? 

Dark Feanor ,, So much lies and distorcions it make me doubt your sanity.

You don´t undertand Ethomaz mind. To him, PS4 will always sells better even if it has no supply.

 

Kowenicki 

Lol.  It would have been easier if you had just said "I havent go the information"

What you are lying about is having evidence... arent you?

Ethomaz throws as much as he can against the wall

WE have to wait for NPD, all of this guesswork, anecdotal evidence, unoffical lists and "sold out" info isnt enough information in isolation.  This is opinion.




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kowenicki said:
Normchacho said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Normchacho said:
Why did the OP only post regional info for the UK and US? Because they are the Xbox Ones biggest markets? He should update the OP either way.


I think we know why he did that lol.


Yeah...I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

FFS... give it a rest... they are always the first out. 

I will update with global now.

 

 

Dont forget to update with  France/Germany sales, to be fair, UK is not more important than other countries in europe, the excuse " they are the first out " dont prevent you to add the others.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

WebMasterFlex said:
Xbox One is overtracked by 50k in Germany : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=96947102#post96947102

 

Interesting, VGC is wrong ?!



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

ethomaz said:

Dark_Feanor said:

You don´t undertand Ethomaz mind. To him, PS4 will always sells better even if it has no supply.

WTF?

Sony is shipping PS4 to US in every week... that's why Xbone is not outselling it in US... the issues is that everything Sony ships gets Sold Out in matter or minutes or hours at max.

And please link to a Gamestop December best-sellings... not the lifetime or actual only... BTW can you explain to me how this best-selling works on Gamestop?

We (the Target I work at) got the PS4 both today and yesterday. They are all gone though.



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I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.

I just find it funny that every month for the past few years now every Sony product in every region has been under tracked according to ethomaz.



MB1025 said:
I just find it funny that every month for the past few years now every Sony product in every region has been under tracked according to ethomaz.

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PS3 was overtracked lol.