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Which one?

Nintendo 85 45.70%
 
Sony 17 9.14%
 
Microsoft 74 39.78%
 
That Disney ad on here 10 5.38%
 
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lt_dan_27 on 05 January 2014
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Microsoft would be better off as a company without consoles because their console division has been overall unprofitable. The xbox division is killing microsoft based on what I can tell. Then they could focus on their products that people used to care about, like windows.
Sony would be the second to least effected. They've other electronic divisions that are profitable. They also have internet and insurance.
Nintendo would be completely dead. They only have gaming.

Are you freaking kidding? The EDD (the division Xbox Is in) over the last 6 years has made $3b profit. Overall the Xbox is in the red, suffered heavy losses early on, but for the majority of last gen is was making money.

Regardless of that, you realise MS make like $8 bill a quarter right? Xbox is chump change to them. Killing them??? That's hilarious.

Sony's electronic divisions don't make them much money and each one of them isn't in the best shape right now. Internet????

Jesus dude, I've never seen someone get more worked up by agreeing with someone. Xbox is clearly not profitable if one of the people that may become CEO is considering selling the division. Microsoft makes a ton of money, so yes they would be the least effected, and there's a lot of evidene  suggesting that they lose money on ms. Here, read this article, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/08/microsoft-earns-2-billion-a-year-from-android-is-it-time-to-drop-xbox/

Sorry, I'll amend my statement and say it's making them hemorage money.

About your other statement. I'm saying they have other profitable divisions, and yes sony is an internet provider. http://mashable.com/2013/04/15/sony-internet-japan/



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Seece on 05 January 2014
lt_dan_27 said:
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Microsoft would be better off as a company without consoles because their console division has been overall unprofitable. The xbox division is killing microsoft based on what I can tell. Then they could focus on their products that people used to care about, like windows.
Sony would be the second to least effected. They've other electronic divisions that are profitable. They also have internet and insurance.
Nintendo would be completely dead. They only have gaming.

Are you freaking kidding? The EDD (the division Xbox Is in) over the last 6 years has made $3b profit. Overall the Xbox is in the red, suffered heavy losses early on, but for the majority of last gen is was making money.

Regardless of that, you realise MS make like $8 bill a quarter right? Xbox is chump change to them. Killing them??? That's hilarious.

Sony's electronic divisions don't make them much money and each one of them isn't in the best shape right now. Internet????

Jesus dude, I've never seen someone get more worked up by agreeing with someone. Xbox is clearly not profitable if one of the people that may become CEO is considering selling the division. Microsoft makes a ton of money, so yes they would be the least effected, and there's a lot of evidene  suggesting that they lose money on ms. Here, read this article, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/08/microsoft-earns-2-billion-a-year-from-android-is-it-time-to-drop-xbox/

Sorry, I'll amend my statement and say it's making them hemorage money.

About your other statement. I'm saying they have other profitable divisions, and yes sony is an internet provider. http://mashable.com/2013/04/15/sony-internet-japan/

I don't care about what he or she says ect ect. I follow the quarterly reports. Do you? The EDD which houses Xbox has been making money for 6 straight years now, that's a fact. Not hearsay on the internet.

Don't misread my tone as getting worked up, just calling out a ridiculous misinformed post. How exactly can you pin point why gaming is making Nintendo and Sony money, but not for Microsoft? The software sells well on the system. The hardware isn't sold at a loss, and they charge for online.

You count internet in Japan as a saviour for Sony yet Xbox is 'killing' MS, what is office then? nothing compared to Sony Internet!!



 

Brainslug on 05 January 2014
tuscaniman99 said:
Serious question? Microsoft is the only one that wouldn't be affected. Nintendo would be totally irrelevant and Sony would basically have to file bankruptcy. Playstation is Sony's last hope to survive.

Completely off-topic, but your quote about Playstation being Sony's last hope reminded me of this article I read last year. Games (and all other electronics) make profit, but are not a very big slice of the Sony profit pie-chart.

Their real bread and butter, that represented 63% of their total operating profit for last year was actually through selling... (Drumroll please)

.

.

.

INSURANCE

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/global/sonys-bread-and-butter-its-not-electronics.html?_r=0



lt_dan_27 on 05 January 2014
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Microsoft would be better off as a company without consoles because their console division has been overall unprofitable. The xbox division is killing microsoft based on what I can tell. Then they could focus on their products that people used to care about, like windows.
Sony would be the second to least effected. They've other electronic divisions that are profitable. They also have internet and insurance.
Nintendo would be completely dead. They only have gaming.

Are you freaking kidding? The EDD (the division Xbox Is in) over the last 6 years has made $3b profit. Overall the Xbox is in the red, suffered heavy losses early on, but for the majority of last gen is was making money.

Regardless of that, you realise MS make like $8 bill a quarter right? Xbox is chump change to them. Killing them??? That's hilarious.

Sony's electronic divisions don't make them much money and each one of them isn't in the best shape right now. Internet????

Jesus dude, I've never seen someone get more worked up by agreeing with someone. Xbox is clearly not profitable if one of the people that may become CEO is considering selling the division. Microsoft makes a ton of money, so yes they would be the least effected, and there's a lot of evidene  suggesting that they lose money on ms. Here, read this article, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/08/microsoft-earns-2-billion-a-year-from-android-is-it-time-to-drop-xbox/

Sorry, I'll amend my statement and say it's making them hemorage money.

About your other statement. I'm saying they have other profitable divisions, and yes sony is an internet provider. http://mashable.com/2013/04/15/sony-internet-japan/

I don't care about what he or she says ect ect. I follow the quarterly reports. Do you? The EDD which houses Xbox has been making money for 6 straight years now, that's a fact. Not hearsay on the internet.

Don't misread my tone as getting worked up, just calling out a ridiculous misinformed post. How exactly can you pin point why gaming is making Nintendo and Sony money, but not for Microsoft? The software sells well on the system. The hardware isn't sold at a loss, and they charge for online.

You count internet in Japan as a saviour for Sony yet Xbox is 'killing' MS, what is office then? nothing compared to Sony Internet!!

I consider people using a lot of exclaimation points getting worked up. Did I say that internet is saving sony? No. I said they've got other things to make money, just like microsoft does. That comparison is apples and oranges. I truly think that microsoft would be overall better off if they got rid of consoles. They devote all of their assets to one of their least profitable divisions, and yes, analysts estimate that. Could they be wrong? Yes. And I acknowledge that the 2.5 billion they're losing in electronics are not entirely, or even mostly, xbox. They're also forcing windows phone down people's throats. There isn't a comparison. And I've yet to see you back up one claim you've made. The reason I linked the internet was because I assumed "internet????" Meant you thought I was lying about their internet. Show me your quarterly reports that show the EDD division in the black.While  looking it up for me, read these too. 

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/information-technology/is-microsoft-losing-money-on-xbox-one-sales-2013-11/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says



Seece on 05 January 2014
lt_dan_27 said:
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Seece said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Microsoft would be better off as a company without consoles because their console division has been overall unprofitable. The xbox division is killing microsoft based on what I can tell. Then they could focus on their products that people used to care about, like windows.
Sony would be the second to least effected. They've other electronic divisions that are profitable. They also have internet and insurance.
Nintendo would be completely dead. They only have gaming.

Are you freaking kidding? The EDD (the division Xbox Is in) over the last 6 years has made $3b profit. Overall the Xbox is in the red, suffered heavy losses early on, but for the majority of last gen is was making money.

Regardless of that, you realise MS make like $8 bill a quarter right? Xbox is chump change to them. Killing them??? That's hilarious.

Sony's electronic divisions don't make them much money and each one of them isn't in the best shape right now. Internet????

Jesus dude, I've never seen someone get more worked up by agreeing with someone. Xbox is clearly not profitable if one of the people that may become CEO is considering selling the division. Microsoft makes a ton of money, so yes they would be the least effected, and there's a lot of evidene  suggesting that they lose money on ms. Here, read this article, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/08/microsoft-earns-2-billion-a-year-from-android-is-it-time-to-drop-xbox/

Sorry, I'll amend my statement and say it's making them hemorage money.

About your other statement. I'm saying they have other profitable divisions, and yes sony is an internet provider. http://mashable.com/2013/04/15/sony-internet-japan/

I don't care about what he or she says ect ect. I follow the quarterly reports. Do you? The EDD which houses Xbox has been making money for 6 straight years now, that's a fact. Not hearsay on the internet.

Don't misread my tone as getting worked up, just calling out a ridiculous misinformed post. How exactly can you pin point why gaming is making Nintendo and Sony money, but not for Microsoft? The software sells well on the system. The hardware isn't sold at a loss, and they charge for online.

You count internet in Japan as a saviour for Sony yet Xbox is 'killing' MS, what is office then? nothing compared to Sony Internet!!

I consider people using a lot of exclaimation points getting worked up. Did I say that internet is saving sony? No. I said they've got other things to make money, just like microsoft does. That comparison is apples and oranges. I truly think that microsoft would be overall better off if they got rid of consoles. They devote all of their assets to one of their least profitable divisions, and yes, analysts estimate that. Could they be wrong? Yes. And I acknowledge that the 2.5 billion they're losing in electronics are not entirely, or even mostly, xbox. They're also forcing windows phone down people's throats. There isn't a comparison. And I've yet to see you back up one claim you've made. The reason I linked the internet was because I assumed "internet????" Meant you thought I was lying about their internet. Show me your quarterly reports that show the EDD division in the black.While  looking it up for me, read these too. 

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/information-technology/is-microsoft-losing-money-on-xbox-one-sales-2013-11/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/SegmentResults/EntertainmentAndDevicesDivision/FY13/Q3/Kpi.aspx

Eat your heart out.

Those links are total BS. The hardware starting profiting in 08

2008 - Xbox 360 hardware to become profitable - http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+to+be+Profitable+by+2008/article7173.htm

360 'Incredibly profitable' - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a512543/microsoft-backing-incredibly-profitable-xbox-360-for-3-more-years.html

None of these investors could even begin to come up with a checklist on how Xbox is losing 1.5B a year. Software is hugely profitable, hardware is profitable, live is profitable. MS do not spend 1.5B on advertising and marketing yearly.

These analysts have offered nothing, all they have to do is come out with 'Xbox isn't profitable' and the masses sink their teeth into it, you're a case in point.

6/30/2007 -1,969,000,000
6/30/2008 445,000,000
6/30/2009 351,000,000
6/30/2010 618,000,000
6/30/2011 1,324,000,000
6/30/2012 364,000,000
6/30/2013 848,000,000

A snapshot of EDD. FY 07 was the last time they made a significant loss (that was the year they shelled out $1b for RROD). Back then Android profits wernt around, Windows phone wasn't a huge sink and the division itself was light on products. Throughout the years they gave thanks to Xbox in their financial reports as to why revenue and profits in the EDD are so good. Look it up in the first link I gave you, it's all there.



 

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thekin on 05 January 2014

I can see a lot of people in this thread did not understand what the op was talking about. "HE SAID ONLY GAMING DIVISION" what that means is that, the other division cannot help in this situation only the gaming division can fend for their-selves.For me it would be

1.Nintendo would be in the least trouble if the market should crash, let's face it, they found a way to revive the market after the 80s crash and are the only company to be able to make money during the resection, yes they lost money during 2011 and 2012, but you have to admit for a company to be able to keep making a profit for 30 years they must have been doing something right (and let's not forget the $10B they have in the bank right now) Plus if the market should crash they can kill off the wii u and focus on 3ds.

2.Sony would have a 50/50 chance of surviving, the reason is during the ps3 era they lost almost all the money they made from previous 2 gens (about $6B), and they themselves said "they cannot let the PS4 fail ( http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127903-PS4-Isnt-Allowed-to-be-Another-Failure-Says-Sony-Exec)". Let's not forget the vita is not performing well, so they may have to discontinue it if the market crashed, and only focus on the PS4.

3.Microsoft, the only reason the XBOX brand is still alive is because of the other divisions (OS, smart phones, ETC), but seeing as they can't help in this situation, Xbox would be in the worst situation out of the big 3. The xbox division has been bleeding money since the lunch of the original console back in 2001, there is no possible way for the xbox brand to survive a crash, Let's not forget that 2 people (broad Representative and CEO candidate) http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/8/5080192/microsoft-ceo-candidate-stephen-elop-bing-xbox-rumors want to sell off the xbox division because it's not making a profit.



lt_dan_27 on 05 January 2014
Seece said:

I consider people using a lot of exclaimation points getting worked up. Did I say that internet is saving sony? No. I said they've got other things to make money, just like microsoft does. That comparison is apples and oranges. I truly think that microsoft would be overall better off if they got rid of consoles. They devote all of their assets to one of their least profitable divisions, and yes, analysts estimate that. Could they be wrong? Yes. And I acknowledge that the 2.5 billion they're losing in electronics are not entirely, or even mostly, xbox. They're also forcing windows phone down people's throats. There isn't a comparison. And I've yet to see you back up one claim you've made. The reason I linked the internet was because I assumed "internet????" Meant you thought I was lying about their internet. Show me your quarterly reports that show the EDD division in the black.While  looking it up for me, read these too. 

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/information-technology/is-microsoft-losing-money-on-xbox-one-sales-2013-11/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/SegmentResults/EntertainmentAndDevicesDivision/FY13/Q3/Kpi.aspx

Eat your heart out.

Those links are total BS. The hardware starting profiting in 08

2008 - Xbox 360 hardware to become profitable - http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+to+be+Profitable+by+2008/article7173.htm

360 'Incredibly profitable' - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a512543/microsoft-backing-incredibly-profitable-xbox-360-for-3-more-years.html

None of these investors could even begin to come up with a checklist on how Xbox is losing 1.5B a year. Software is hugely profitable, hardware is profitable, live is profitable. MS do not spend 1.5B on advertising and marketing yearly.

These analysts have offered nothing, all they have to do is come out with 'Xbox isn't profitable' and the masses sink their teeth into it, you're a case in point.

6/30/2007 -1,969,000,000
6/30/2008 445,000,000
6/30/2009 351,000,000
6/30/2010 618,000,000
6/30/2011 1,324,000,000
6/30/2012 364,000,000
6/30/2013 848,000,000

A snapshot of EDD. FY 07 was the last time they made a significant loss (that was the year they shelled out $1b for RROD). Back then Android profits wernt around, Windows phone wasn't a huge sink and the division itself was light on products. Throughout the years they gave thanks to Xbox in their financial reports as to why revenue and profits in the EDD are so good. Look it up in the first link I gave you, it's all there.


Aside from the link from MS, I don't see how any of the links provided by you should be considered any more reliable than the ones I've provided. Which you were very quick to delegitamize. 



Anfebious on 06 January 2014

Oh that's easy! If gaming crashed we can count on Microsoft and Sony reviving the industry!

They gots lots of money! I mean Microsoft has a ton of money to burn and they can use it on gaming and revive the industry! Even Sony can help! They just have to sell some buildings and they are good to go!

Nintendo is irrelevant these days. With their unfocused gaming systems and 30 year old IP they don't stand a chance to revive the industry.

If neither Sony or Microsoft could save gaming there is nothing to be afraid though. Micro$oft has money and Sony has lots of buildings to sell!

Nintendo could go back to the love hotel business!



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

PenguinZ on 06 January 2014

 

Logico15 said:
Seece said:
No point in threads when you're going to shape the answer yourself. Fact is if gaming crashed, MS has by far the most amount of money to sustain.

You should try reading and comprehending the question first before you post. The question was asking JUST the gaming division alone. The other divisions of any of the three companies don't matter because he specifically said only the gaming division. With that in mind, Microsoft will be the one to suffer the most because it's gaming division has till this day been unprofitable.

I know that he is talking about the gaming divisions purely in his question, however what the company has outside of gaming assets are a very important consideration in the scenario he brought up in his question. If you answered the question the way the OP has  it set up, you'd come to the conclusion that Nintendo would be the least trouble based on their profits in comparision to the gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft. Unfortunately  the scenario playing out strictly to the OP's rules would be very unlikely in the real world.

If you were to consider a realistic view of the scenario brought up in the question...

Microsoft would be in the least trouble, because they more money that they could invest towards their gaming division to keep it afloat if they wanted to.

Considering Sony's current situation, they would probably drop out of gaming to perserve the rest of their company, because I don't think they'd want to take more of a hit on a crashed industry.

Nintendo is completely screwed... They're purely a gaming company, so what exactly would they have to fall back on.



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J_Allard on 06 January 2014

Uh.. no one? If gaming crashed, all the gaming divisions would be screwed. Not much to discuss here.