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lt_dan_27 on 05 January 2014
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Seece said:

I consider people using a lot of exclaimation points getting worked up. Did I say that internet is saving sony? No. I said they've got other things to make money, just like microsoft does. That comparison is apples and oranges. I truly think that microsoft would be overall better off if they got rid of consoles. They devote all of their assets to one of their least profitable divisions, and yes, analysts estimate that. Could they be wrong? Yes. And I acknowledge that the 2.5 billion they're losing in electronics are not entirely, or even mostly, xbox. They're also forcing windows phone down people's throats. There isn't a comparison. And I've yet to see you back up one claim you've made. The reason I linked the internet was because I assumed "internet????" Meant you thought I was lying about their internet. Show me your quarterly reports that show the EDD division in the black.While  looking it up for me, read these too. 

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/information-technology/is-microsoft-losing-money-on-xbox-one-sales-2013-11/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/SegmentResults/EntertainmentAndDevicesDivision/FY13/Q3/Kpi.aspx

Eat your heart out.

Those links are total BS. The hardware starting profiting in 08

2008 - Xbox 360 hardware to become profitable - http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+to+be+Profitable+by+2008/article7173.htm

360 'Incredibly profitable' - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a512543/microsoft-backing-incredibly-profitable-xbox-360-for-3-more-years.html

None of these investors could even begin to come up with a checklist on how Xbox is losing 1.5B a year. Software is hugely profitable, hardware is profitable, live is profitable. MS do not spend 1.5B on advertising and marketing yearly.

These analysts have offered nothing, all they have to do is come out with 'Xbox isn't profitable' and the masses sink their teeth into it, you're a case in point.

6/30/2007 -1,969,000,000
6/30/2008 445,000,000
6/30/2009 351,000,000
6/30/2010 618,000,000
6/30/2011 1,324,000,000
6/30/2012 364,000,000
6/30/2013 848,000,000

A snapshot of EDD. FY 07 was the last time they made a significant loss (that was the year they shelled out $1b for RROD). Back then Android profits wernt around, Windows phone wasn't a huge sink and the division itself was light on products. Throughout the years they gave thanks to Xbox in their financial reports as to why revenue and profits in the EDD are so good. Look it up in the first link I gave you, it's all there.


Aside from the link from MS, I don't see how any of the links provided by you should be considered any more reliable than the ones I've provided. Which you were very quick to delegitamize.