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saying that barack obama set back african americans is sensationalist and shallow



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He hasn't "set African American's back 20-50 years", he has shown what capitalist USA is all about.

It doesn't matter what the colour of his skin is and those blaming the Republican party for his poor performance are deluding themselves, because this is his second term, the term most known for giving the political leader more leverage to act more in accord to what he wants seeing as he doesn't have a next term.

It's true that he gets cock blocked loads of times by the GOP, and really the GOP is in my eyes a big joke but don't forget that those who finance the GOP also finance the Democratic party.

Then you have a system jam packed with lobbyist and the whole revolving door scandals, it's in the end just so broken and so out of reach that trying to fix everything through one man and expecting that one man to fulfil our expectations when the whole system behind him is still the same is just naive.

I mean look at Egypt who toppled a government by taking out the leader, but left every other sector pretty much the same while implementing the new government. The result is the old government is back, because the army and the judges were all the same as the ones appointed by the old government
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And I haven't even touched the Drone program, which has grown so much under the Obama administration.



Figgycal said:

There's a history that comes with some of the insults used agains Obama - a long history that doesn't work the same way with white people. These are politicians calling Obama these insults - not everyday citizens. Saying Obama is chucking spears, or that he is shucking and jiving, or that he's the food stamp president is blatantly racist. Again these are politicians making using these stereotypical insults. Kanye West was the guy who said George Bush hates black people - not one of his peers in office.

"No one declared that President Obama doesn't like white people when Hurricane Sandy caused massive damage." Again you're blaming Obama for something that Republicans are largely responsible for. In the House 179 republicans voted no to Sandy Relief efforts - as opposed to 1 democrat. And in the Senate 36 republicans voted no - as opposed to 0 democrats. What is Obama to do? Become a dictator and mandate action to be taken place? George Bush had a distinct ack of reaction to Katrina.

And why yes: many conservative personalities have claimed that Obama hates white people. Many people from Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and even his fellow politicans have. Again compare those people to Kanye West who said that on MTV with people with actual power:

http://www.pressherald.com/politics/LePage-is-heard-to-say-Obama-hates-white-people.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/glenn-beck-obama-is-a-racist/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/bill-oreilly-its-clear-obama-does-not-like-republicans-he-doesnt-like-white-privilege-video/

The point remains, that all presidents are caricatured. They are ridiculed. They are mocked and undermined by people within the country who opposed them. The intent doesn't really matter and that is part of what keeps the African-American community down.

First a point, racism didn't used to mean just insensitive to a group, or ignorant about their culture or community. It used to mean what it still means. It meant someone thought their race was superior and another race, inferior. Could it be said that declaring someone is a food stamp president is insensitive? Sure I can buy that but people leveling insults aren't exactly trying to be sensitive. However if someone is saying President Obama is a food stamp president are they really saying that black people are inferior and white people superior? That I don't buy at all.

As for Hurricane Sandy, you must be thinking of a different bill and again you are excusing incompetence. First this link shows the relief bill passed the House 354-67. Perhaps there was a different bill that didn't pass but that one did and had plenty of votes to spare. As for what President Obama is responsible to do, he has to take the interests of the other party into consideration when governing. That is why it is called BIPARTISAN. You don't run on bipartisanship, shut the other party down and then complain and call it racist when they won't give you 100% of what you want. That is exactly what he did the first two years he was in office. Even now his bills reflect only the interests of those who elected him.

I did go look up the bill you were talking about and it was an additional bill. However the opposition was not because of President Obama or because of his race. It was because there is a small faction out there that think tha that when a government has borrowed $17 trillion dollars it should spend a little less in regular areas to offset emergency aid. These are the same Republicans that voted to cut military spending. They are completely consistant and wanting the numbers to add up doesn't equal racism.

As for the links I assure you that within the black community people will listen to Kanya West a lot more than they would ever listen to LePage, Reilly or anyone else. Those folks have much less power because the people listening to them or tuning them out come from an array of perspectives. You will not find 93% of any other ethnic group turning out disporportionately and listening to one voice or voting for one person. Their networth was lower, their pocketbooks were more empty and their unemployment had gone up a few points under his first term but none of that mattered, they pulled their lever on a vote for him not for the job done, but because of the face. That IS racism plain and simple. President Obama was supposed to be a uniter, smarter, more honest, better intentioned and just more capable. George W. Bush, a claimed idiot, could convince Democrats to vote for his education bills, his wars, you name it. Bill Clinton wiped the floor with Gingrich when Republicans shut down the government on him. President Obama is never accountable for his own governing. It is alway the fault of someone else he doesn't succeed.

Well that lie is set to blow up in his face because his health care plan is owned entirely by him and passed entirely by the Democratic Party and it is TERRIBLE.

The bill clearly is a cash grab from young to old. It will raise the rates and cancel the plans for almost everyone who is employed, young, married or healthy. The opposition from how terrible it is and the incompetence from it will be massive.

Let me put my prediction in an envelope and you can unseal it for later. It wasn't President Obama's fault the program is terrible. See it originated from Mitt Romney, so it is Republicans fault. That darn Republican in Mass lied and a bunch of Democrats in Mass bought the lie and passed his bill. Now Obama bought the lie and so did all the Democratic Super Majorities in both the Senate and House. They all bought the lie of one person. It is that evil one Republicans fault that so many Democrats did what they did. (This is just another version of Bush lied and thus people aren't responsible for their own votes.)

They could fix the bad program, with the terrible website all accomplished by one bad man telling his bad lies. However now the fix isn't the responsibility or problem of the president either. It will be those mean, terrible House Repulbicans who are lying, and who are racist, and who don't want the ACA to succeed and by succeed we mean run as the law states but didn't realize because we bought a lie.

You can book it. If you've looked at the ACA plans they are terrible. They give young people deductables of several thousand dollars all while charging them a few thousand dollars per year. No one will buy giving the government $3000-4000 a year for health insurance so you can pay another $5000 in deductables before the insurance kicks in. $9-10k isn't affordable to a young person nor is it free or affordable health care which is what was promised.



So because Obama hasn't had the success that we all hoped that means he set black people back?

This is what I don't understand about some people, blacks are always judged unfairly off of what another black has done negatively. If Deandre goes and robs the bank, that doesn't mean all black males are bank robbers.

For every Deandre the bank robber there's a barrack obama and for every Lorenzo the drug dealer there's a hermain cain.

This is the one thing that infuriates me about our culture, Blacks are always judged unfairly off of the negative someone with black skin has done. This is what made the black community upset about the Trayvon situation, sure Trayvon might have attacked Zimmerman and he was wrong for that if he did but the point was it never would have happened if Zimmerman didn't follow him and the only reason Zimmerman followed him was because he looked "suspicious" and there's nothing more suspicious in america then a black man in a hoodie in a wealthy neighberhood and we've been trained to believe that nonsense. :(



RG3Hunna said:
So because Obama hasn't had the success that we all hoped that means he set black people back?

This is what I don't understand about some people, blacks are always judged unfairly off of what another black has done negatively. If Deandre goes and robs the bank, that doesn't mean all black males are bank robbers.

For every Deandre the bank robber there's a barrack obama and for every Lorenzo the drug dealer there's a hermain cain.

This is the one thing that infuriates me about our culture, Blacks are always judged unfairly off of the negative someone with black skin has done. This is what made the black community upset about the Trayvon situation, sure Trayvon might have attacked Zimmerman and he was wrong for that if he did but the point was it never would have happened if Zimmerman didn't follow him and the only reason Zimmerman followed him was because he looked "suspicious" and there's nothing more suspicious in america then a black man in a hoodie in a wealthy neighberhood and we've been trained to believe that nonsense. :(

You've got it backwards. You are correct that when Deandre robs a bank, it doesn't mean that all black males are bank robbers. However per our culture today, it also doesn't mean that Deandre is a bank robber. See Deandre had to go to an inner city school where he didn't learn anything. He had no father figure to keep him in check. His mother was poor and often unemployed. The man was just playing the hand he was dealt. He didn't want to rob a bank. He was just making use of the only path available to him.

That is what we hear all the time. It is what we hear with President Obama right now. He isn't a bad president. He wants to fix everything. He made those promises but the problem is society, Republicans, racism, you name it. He was supposed to be the person who couldn't be held back or kept down and instead the same old excuses are trotted out as to why he has been incompetent and ineffective.

You note the Trayvon Martin situation. You blame Zimmerman for following him. The reality is that Martin was supposed to be in school. He was supposed to be with his Mom. He was supposed to probably be dealt with for petty theft and drug possession so he didn't think he could go around and clock someone in the first place but the system won't deal with Martin on that level because when it does, it is labeled racist.

Does that completely excuse Zimmerman? No but we want a perfect reaction to an action when that action has been allowed to go on too long and get too big. Life isn't that way. Zimmerman thought that Martin looked suspicious becuase he acted like a criminal. The point was Martin was a criminal. He hadn't been prosecuted for it, just had the school system slap his hand a bit out of fear they would be labeled racist but the point was he was engaging in criminal behavior. Assault, drug use, vandalism and theft are all crimes. Martin was suspended for scribbling WTF on a door but when looking for the market they "found" 12 pcs of ladies jewelry, and a man’s watch, in addition to a flat head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”. They were turned in as found items when they should have been treated as theft. If they had been dealt with accordingly Martin might be alive today.



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outlawauron said:
roborad said:
What?
lol..no.
He and his team greatly aided the economic recovery and right now, that's what matters the most.
In that regard, he did a great job.
But his obamacare thing (we need something like this for the future because our health care system in its current state is just not maintainable) was executed unpolished.

That is a very kind way of putting it.

Sweeping new policies are always disruptive, Medicare was worse, if only because it was tied to racial integration so there was a lot of baggage against it.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

.Not in the way your thinking.

That said, the Congressional Black Caucus hasn't exactly been in love with his job performance.

He's acted exactly the same as a white President would have essentially.



Kasz216 said:
.Not in the way your thinking.

That said, the Congressional Black Caucus hasn't exactly been in love with his job performance.

He's acted exactly the same as a white President would have essentially.

That's the fun thing. The poor guy isn't "black" enough and definitely not liberal enough for the left, but he is far too liberal and far too black for the Right to stomach



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.

that is an interesting view, but it takes two parties to compromise, and neither one of them would.  Obama always blamed Republicans for refusing to compromise on things they cared about, but he was also guilty of refusing to compromise on things he cared about.  He just has a bigger pulpit to disparage his opposition.  

Basically, the entire political system here is disfunctional.  Nobody will compromise with each other on the important issues of the day...



Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
.Not in the way your thinking.

That said, the Congressional Black Caucus hasn't exactly been in love with his job performance.

He's acted exactly the same as a white President would have essentially.

That's the fun thing. The poor guy isn't "black" enough and definitely not liberal enough for the left, but he is far too liberal and far too black for the Right to stomach


American politics at its finest!