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Analysts claim Microsoft's new Xbox One games console will be a loss-leader – costing Redmond more to produce each unit than the price tag once you factor in research'n'development.

Technology market watcher IHS tore into the components of the new gaming machine, and – judging by the Xbox One's hardware and manufacturing costs – believes Microsoft is taking a hit on hardware sales in hope of revenues from licensed games and Live subscriptions.

This follows a time-honored tradition in the console market of selling games machines at a loss, simply to get as much gear as possible into homes, and then make back the money on royalties from third-party developers. It's claimed Sony makes "about $18" on each $400 PlayStation 4, for example.

The IHS estimates that each Xbox One console carries a hardware cost of $457 per unit and an additional manufacturing cost of $14, making the device a $471 machine to produce wholesale. An XBox One costs $499 in the shops, so that's a $28 difference.

Among the most expensive hardware bits in the Xbox One is the AMD processor at its core. The system-on-a-chip package includes the Xbox One's GPU and CPU, and we're told it costs $110 per unit.

Other price factors include $75 for the Kinect hardware, $60 for DRAM and $37 for the Xbox One's internal hard drive.

When additional costs from the research and development of the console are factored in, analysts believe that Microsoft will in fact be taking a slight loss overall on the sales of the Xbox console itself.

"For both Microsoft and Sony, their latest-generation video game console hardware is unprofitable at the time of release, requiring the companies to subsidize it initially," said IHS senior principal analyst Steve Mather.

"However, these companies easily can largely compensate for their losses though sales of highly lucrative game titles. Meanwhile, as the cost to produce the consoles decreases according to the normal learning-curve dynamics in the electronics industry, the companies can cut their retail pricing — or pad their profits."

The Xbox approach differs from that of other Microsoft hardware lines, such as the Windows 8 Surface tablet lines. Microsoft enjoys a healthy markup on its fondleslabs, which thus far have carried less pressure on vendors to minimize hardware costs.

As Mather noted, however, Microsoft may hope that the cost of keeping the Xbox One cheap will pay dividends for other, more lucrative hardware lines down the road.

"The Xbox One is designed to serve as a beachhead in the home for Microsoft, with the console’s capability to interact with—and interface to—other devices, such as televisions, set-top boxes, smartphones and tablets," Mather said.

"Gaining such a strategic advantage in the battle to control the connected home and Internet-enabled living room is well worth having the Xbox One act as a loss leader for Microsoft." ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/27/xbox_one_price_brings_loss_to_microsoft/



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1. The Register being a trashy copypaste tech website
2. The title reads like they profit and the story says they make a loss
3. They forgot about retailer margin



Ulgh... MS doesnt sell it for 499



So, if that's the case then Sony is making about $26 for every PS4, if my math is right...

500-28=472
472-98=374
400-374=26

Odd if true, then PS4 is the first console that Sony has made that turns a profit from the getgo. Good thing as the system is plenty powerful, and it means Sony is already making back the heavy losses of the PS3.



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Retailers take a cut, there's no way they're making a $28 profit.



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Yeah, it is misleading to say that because the cost of a tested, boxed unit off the assembly lines costs less than the MSRP that MS is making a "profit."

Does not account for shipping costs to retailer warehouses or retailer's cut.

Still, it does mean that both Sony and MS are minimizing their losses on hardware out of the starting gates, which will mean a quicker transition into profitability as manufacturing costs are streamlined over the next year or two.

Does anyone know the wholesale price of the XB1 offhand?



Wagram said:
Retailers take a cut, there's no way they're making a $28 profit.


Don't forget... Cost of fuel to import, import taxes and other costs on top of it.

With that in mind, the average selling price of the Xbox One is going to be higher than $499 due to it selling at a higher price in other countries.
So I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher than $28 or even lower, just so much variation can occur when you talk about the logistics of console sales world-wide.



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DialgaMarine said:


This was announced months ago guys.  By both MSFT and Sony.

Xbox One to be Sold for Profit or Breaking Even - http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+One+to+BreakEven+or+Make+Profit+on+Each+Sale+from+Launch/article33324.htm

Ps4 Sold for Loss announced by Masayasu - http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/playstation-4-hardware-to-be-sold-at-a-loss-at-launch



They didn't factor in overhead, or the retailer's cut.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

TheEspionage said:
DialgaMarine said:


This was announced months ago guys.  By both MSFT and Sony.

Xbox One to be Sold for Profit or Breaking Even - http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+One+to+BreakEven+or+Make+Profit+on+Each+Sale+from+Launch/article33324.htm

Ps4 Sold for Loss announced by Masayasu - http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/playstation-4-hardware-to-be-sold-at-a-loss-at-launch

Quoting for other people to view.