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Forums - Gaming Discussion - tired of the Live vs. PS+ debate!!

Normando on 14 October 2013
Sevengen said:
Normando said:
It's true that they are different. But PS+ is more than a rental service. You get 1Gb of cloud saving so you can access saved data on other PS3s, You get access to some pretty steep sales on PSN, and you get the full game trials that will let you play from where you left off if you decide to buy the game.

The other big difference is what you get for free on PS that you have to pay for with Live. If you have a 360 Live is pretty much a must. If you have a PS3 than PS+ is an add on that if you play a lot of games can pretty quickly pay for itself.


alright, caught your first post. 
the first paragraph, I'm totally with ya'. 
second paragraph... not so much, because you did what I just got done stating that fanboys do (not saying you are one.. completely)
I wasn't talking about PSN, so why bring it up.. oh that's right, this way you can say try and turn my initial post into something more resembling an argument that better suits your personal opinon.. not that of the OP. 

you wanna respond to someone opinion, then do that by keeping their opinion and whatever counter you have that directly relates to it as the sole focus of your reply. 
(feel like I'm talking to Nem here..)
It doesn't matter that PSN is free to game online while Live Gold charges a fee... that's not the issue that starts the thread, so it isn't the 'other' big difference, nowhere in my first post do I compare PSN with Gold. Nowhere. 
What's with you guys?

Well, your OP is talking about how you hate it when people compare PS+ to Xbox Live. I have never seen someone compare PS+ to Live without talking about PSN. Even in the article you complain about in the OP the guy talks about how PSN gives you things for free that you have to pay for with Live. So yes, you are right in saying that it doesn't make sense to compare Live to PS+ exclusively, but people don't really do that...I'm not really sure what made you start this thread in the first place actually.

Oh, and as far as being a "fanboy" goes. If you knew anything about my posting history on here you would know that although I prefere the PS3 to the 360, I have nothing against MS. Compared to you who posts almost exclusivley negitive things about Sony...



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dsgrue3 on 14 October 2013
Sevengen said:

seeing how I've come across an innumerable number of these arguments, figured I'd finally weigh-in and set people straight.

"innumerable number" is quite the oxymoron, sir.

PS: Don't read fanboy articles.



torok on 14 October 2013

Well, for me it's a pointless comparison only because there is no choice. It's no like a cell phone that you can get on AT&T or Verizon, if you got a PS, you got PSN. Got a XBox, you use Live. Wii U, Nintendo Network.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

J_Allard on 14 October 2013
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
lets all move on and accept the fact ps plus is better

PS+ is a better paid membership discount service.

Of course, XBL Gold is an online gaming platform, so PS+ doesn't really apply.



cmeese47 on 14 October 2013

Yep let us all argue that we can't compare Plus to Gold because it is unfair to Gold, well I believe it is unfair to lock parts of games people pay for behind a pay wall.

You cannot have Plus without PSN. So for 50 a year you get PSN plus all these free rentals, discounts and other features. For 0 you still get PSN.

For 0 you get the ability to download games, movies and demos from the Xbox marketplace that is it. For 60 you get access to apps like netflix and hulu plus, cross game chat, better match making, and a couple old 360 games for free a month in addition to finally being able to play the multi-player parts of games you bought.

Basically if you want access to every part of your games then you have to buy Live. Sony provides that for free and then offers a premium service for its on top of that.

So maybe I was wrong and there is no comparison after all.



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Sevengen on 14 October 2013
Nem said:
Sevengen said:
 
 

Nem. You started by telling me that I wasn't correct, Why? because "I was comparing the wrong things."

In a subsequent post, you told me I wasn't comparing them because I see them as different services.

That's a contradiction Nem, you contradicting yourself.. an inconsistency in your very own argument and your understanding of the OP.

Nothing about what I said was unclear, you simply didn't read it for what it was and now you just wanna keep posting in a vain, silly attempt to prove you did. Well, if that were the case then there'd be no ambiguity in your arguement and you wouldn't have changed what you believed i was saying, as you did in later replies. 

I can keep this going forever if you like. you're not going to get the last word. you were mistaken right outta the gate.. and you know that,  just refuse to admit it ...typical internet forum posturing. 

You wanna argue my point of view, my opinion, fine. do so... but at the very least, keep it respectful and understand that all this stuff is... is opinion. Don't start by telling me I'm wrong, disagree with me sure, don't tell me I'm wrong... tell me I'm comparing the wrong things and then later backtrack and say I'm not comparing them.  And for the love of god man, if someone catches you by your own words, stand up, admit it.

Ok, one final time cause im tired of you trying to drag this into something annoying and repetitive. You compared the wrong things. You cant compare PS+ and Xbox live and say they are different services when PS+ doesnt exist without PSN. You made a simple statement: PS+ is a renting service and Xbox live is a gaming service so they cant be compared. I set out to prove to you they are comparable. I am right. To specify even further, you say PS+ is a renting service, that is incorrect. Its a gaming service just like Xbox with a component or pack that includes renting of select digital goods. Its not even comparable to regular renting services because you cant choose what it is you are renting. PS+ is not a renting service, its a gaming service premium. So, yes, once more i say: you compared the wrong things.

End of the day, if you want to say reviewers arent comparing services the way you want, go on and say that. Dont try to be a smart guy and say they arent comparable, cause you might end up saying comething that isnt quite accurate. Oh and you can reply to this if you want. I dont care about the "final word" at all. I dont think there will be any further progress on this debate.

For what is worth, i agree with the point you were making about reviewers. Hope you can make a consistant post without any questionable claims next time so we can focus on the point at hand. :)

 so now your back to saying I compared the wrong things, after already saying I wasn't comparing them because I think they're different services, after already saying I was comparing the wrong things. 
Nem how can I be comparing them if I'm telling people they're different services and shouldn't be compared??
Answer that for me... how can I be comparing them if I'm telling people they're different services and shouldn't be compared??

look, my internet's paid, I get plenty of time off from work and I have every opportunity I need to keep jumping back to this forum and pointing out your mistake. You wanna keep posting, have at it. You accused me of comparing the wrong things when I'm obviously not, the point of the OP is that they're different services, PS+ and Xbox Live Gold, and shouldn't be compared directly. 
That's what the post says. period. read it a tenth time if necessary. 
So where's the comparison?
Show me.



Sevengen on 14 October 2013
Normando said:
Sevengen said:
Normando said:
It's true that they are different. But PS+ is more than a rental service. You get 1Gb of cloud saving so you can access saved data on other PS3s, You get access to some pretty steep sales on PSN, and you get the full game trials that will let you play from where you left off if you decide to buy the game.

The other big difference is what you get for free on PS that you have to pay for with Live. If you have a 360 Live is pretty much a must. If you have a PS3 than PS+ is an add on that if you play a lot of games can pretty quickly pay for itself.


alright, caught your first post. 
the first paragraph, I'm totally with ya'. 
second paragraph... not so much, because you did what I just got done stating that fanboys do (not saying you are one.. completely)
I wasn't talking about PSN, so why bring it up.. oh that's right, this way you can say try and turn my initial post into something more resembling an argument that better suits your personal opinon.. not that of the OP. 

you wanna respond to someone opinion, then do that by keeping their opinion and whatever counter you have that directly relates to it as the sole focus of your reply. 
(feel like I'm talking to Nem here..)
It doesn't matter that PSN is free to game online while Live Gold charges a fee... that's not the issue that starts the thread, so it isn't the 'other' big difference, nowhere in my first post do I compare PSN with Gold. Nowhere. 
What's with you guys?

Well, your OP is talking about how you hate it when people compare PS+ to Xbox Live. I have never seen someone compare PS+ to Live without talking about PSN. Even in the article you complain about in the OP the guy talks about how PSN gives you things for free that you have to pay for with Live. So yes, you are right in saying that it doesn't make sense to compare Live to PS+ exclusively, but people don't really do that...I'm not really sure what made you start this thread in the first place actually.

Oh, and as far as being a "fanboy" goes. If you knew anything about my posting history on here you would know that although I prefere the PS3 to the 360, I have nothing against MS. Compared to you who posts almost exclusivley negitive things about Sony...

sure you have. These forums are littered with fanboy posts about what the PS+ subscription gives you (free games) compared to what the Xbox Gold subscription gives you (online play)
If you wanna sit there and tell me you've never come across those kinda statements, then you're simply lying and I'm not going to bother with you after this.

as far as the article goes, yes, the author brings up PSN in the very beginning, simply as routine and as a way to set up his main argument... which he specified in his title, his words; 'PS+ puts xbox live to shame"
he then spends the bulk of the article writing solely about those two services, which is what prompted me to start this thread. the article itself is just another lenghty, fanboy driven diatribe about the evils of xbox live gold, mistakenly using PS+ as the excuse to do so. 

Also, I pointed out that I wasn't calling you a fanboy. all you gotta do is read my man. it's right there to see. 
you and Nem should hang out sometime, you seem to have a lot in common.




Sevengen on 14 October 2013
cmeese47 said:
Yep let us all argue that we can't compare Plus to Gold because it is unfair to Gold, well I believe it is unfair to lock parts of games people pay for behind a pay wall.

You cannot have Plus without PSN. So for 50 a year you get PSN plus all these free rentals, discounts and other features. For 0 you still get PSN.

For 0 you get the ability to download games, movies and demos from the Xbox marketplace that is it. For 60 you get access to apps like netflix and hulu plus, cross game chat, better match making, and a couple old 360 games for free a month in addition to finally being able to play the multi-player parts of games you bought.

Basically if you want access to every part of your games then you have to buy Live. Sony provides that for free and then offers a premium service for its on top of that.

So maybe I was wrong and there is no comparison after all.

Sony's gonna start charging for online play with the PS4, eventually they're going to require that for any legacy PS3's around...  so basically if you want access to every part of your games then you have to buy PS+, as Sony no longer provides PSN for free or offeres a premium service on top of that. (corrected)



cmeese47 on 14 October 2013

Sure after the PS4 launches that might be correct but considering I played every part of my games for free since launch. I will have saved enough to buy my PS4 by the time Sony decides to charge for online on PS3.

Thanks Sony for not being money grabbing DB's and saving me enough money to buy a PS4. Also thanks for all the great games I have gotten to play since you release PS+.



selnor1983 on 14 October 2013

I don't really care at all about this.

The app thing is a non issue here. As for some reason in the UK Sony has last time I went on 6 or 7 apps in its entirety?

360 has 40+. So I wouldn't and never have used my PS3 for anything other than playing games and the odd Bluray film. 360 used for everything else. Video, music, online gaming, internet etc etc. Dedicated sports apps. The list is pretty long. Sony haven't supported apps at all in the UK. Whereas Microsft have given us loads.