And there is the real reason ;D Wouldve been nice for you and other people to be honest about it at least.

Yep, DVR Features, alternative subsciptions, free streaming media,  all chat functions and more are still free. I knew Sony would cave but thankfully it was only for multiplayer. I was mad at first but then I realized no one can turn down pure profit. Even Michael Pachter said Xbox Live broke even early on in its lifetime for the investment, which means MS is making hand over fist off of it. If you were bleeding internally and had to watch your competition make profit on online where everywhere else its free of cours its going to influence the market of the market it applies to if it brings more money to the industry and people comply in a popular way.

No that's the reason proceeding this thread ^^ Not prior.

yeah Nem, I'm aware that comparing the two is wrong. that's the point of the thread. Do you even take the time to read things through.

It's already beaten to death. I'm curious as to what PSN+ will offer on the PS4 outside of Drive Club Lite and the one indie game a month. I think MS could match that if they really tried. So far I've only heard of more free to play titles in the works, but the PS4 has a lot of that. MS can easily win if they tried harder for content.

What I did enjoy out of the Games with Gold promotion is the games are yours to *KEEP* no questions asked. Stop paying for Gold? Fine. All those games were yours to keep, and can be re-downloaded from Live anytime.

LOL as HD space gets larger the chances of people being able to hold all those games on their HD's is becoming harder and harder. I just downloaded Kingdoms of Amalur and Saints Row 3 which combined was like twenty GB alone. As long as games are still on PSN Plus they can be redownloaded at any time. Remember Sony has to make contracts with licenses with companies to make the temporarily playable games available. Personally I think its great marketing that they put out Saints Row 3 on PSN+ to prep people for Saints Row 4. This is why I prefer solid media over an HDD. HDD is secondary for me outside of saving for games and general media streaming. 

If you've paid any attention at all to PSN+ you already know that there will be games available in time. Gaikai should make PS3 games more readily available as well. PSN+ will have to regrow their library again opposed to the PS3 which has a set library of games from first, second and third party that are playable. PSN+ was born four years after the PS3 launched so a library was alreadyd amassed making it easier to license third party titles. The hardest time to license games is when they release why is why rental services are bound to have a hard time in the future.

I'm afraid thats not what i said, it was quite the opposite. I said you are comparing the wrong things, not that comparing both services is wrong. They are both comparable services. I gave you a clear example why they are competitors and why you are just looking at components instead of the full service to say they arent comparable services.

Both are online network services that give acess to multiplayer gaming and digital goods. You cant say that the "renting" component is separate from it and call it a different service as its impossible to acess one without the other. The PS+ service does not exist independent from PSN. Its all part of the Playstation network service.

Let me give you another example. When you contract a service internet provider. They have different packs that offer you different options. Say a pack offers free internet acess but charges you for your phone. Another company offers a pack with internet+phone for a fee. They are both still competing for the same costumers with the same type of product. They are competitiors. They are comparable.

I don't pay for Live, but I'm glad that people who do enjoy the value they get.

yeah im tired as well

psn+ is superior 

Now that the PS4 and the XBONE are going to have paid online I don't care about either. Nintendo's online service is free but I don't care either. I prefer local multiplayer .