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Mr Khan said:
Mythmaker1 said:
DJEVOLVE said:
House is run by nut bags. Period.

I'd disagree. Cynics, definitely, but I doubt the people at the top are actually crazy.

This is a classic "wag the dog" scenario. Boehner isn't crazy, nor is Cantor or McConnell, but the Fringe Right now controls their destinies. The frenzy of know-nothing populism that they whipped up to strike back against the Obama wave of 2008 has gone out of control of the Republican Establishment and the Plutocrats, and even the Plutocrats are scared (as the Chamber of Commerce has been, in guarded language, telling the House to knock it off).

The ability of the wingnuts to knock out sure-win incumbents in primaries (like Mourdock vs Lugar in Indiana last year) scares the Republican leadership more than the Democrats, especially in the House (see my above post on gerrymandering).

It would be hilarious if there weren't a real danger of them being willing to let the debt ceiling hit.

That seems to be a pretty apt analysis.

Whether or not they are truly becoming irrelevant, it seems at times like the fear of becoming irrelevant is driving members of congress to publicly embrace unsustainable positions. It could be that they're promising the impossible, in hopes that their political opponents will fumble badly enough that people will forget their prior commitments.

It's like they've taken inspiration from the Persian Horse Thief.



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outlawauron said:
Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:
Well, that's one prespective I haven't heard. 

Really? I haven't seen a single poll that suggests that the Republicans will come out of this mess looking better than Obama or Reid.

Are Americans going to lose faith in the government as a whole? Hell yes. But only the R's are going to come out of this really hurting.

I don't see why they would. The President takes the brunt of the blame and I don't see how much lower opinion of the Democrats can fall. Of course, those who always blame Republicans will still do and vice versa.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-blame/?hpt=hp_t1

Just from today. Similar polls over the last few weeks have made for similar findings.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Rating only gets hurt due to debt ceiling which looks like it might be raised due to bipartisan infighting. I say get rid of all parties at this point. I want to push for multiparty government but it might be best to abolish all parties. At least that would force people to actually vote (perhaps look into each candidate) instead of voting down party lines.



heard speak of gov jobs being shut down... but uhh yeah a lot of gov workers are out of the job monday anyways as previously planned thanks to the obama administration which is unrelated to this bill



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

I'm actually glad that I haven't been able to pursue my Wildlife and Fisheries Management degree. I would be temp laid off with the government shutdown. However, I've been laid off plenty of times in the manufacturing industry. Makes me want to never work for a parks job in the USA. I should move to Canada.



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govs been shut down for almost an hour now

edit: last shutdown was 17 years ago... don't remember a thing about it... was young but still guess it didn't matter that much



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

papamudd said:
govs been shut down for almost an hour now

It has been pitch black outside ever since they made the announcement. It's the spookiest thing. I've had to eat six babies already. This anarchy thing is tough. I mean, who is permanently archiving all of my tweets for posterity? Are NSA agents having to spy on their love interests on their own time now?



badgenome said:
papamudd said:
govs been shut down for almost an hour now

It has been pitch black outside ever since they made the announcement. It's the spookiest thing. I've had to eat six babies already. This anarchy thing is tough. I mean, who is permanently archiving all of my tweets for posterity? Are NSA agents having to spy on their love interests on their own time now?

Don't worry the fucking NSA won't be affected.  They'll keep spying on American citizens even though they are supposed to only spy on foreigners.  It's like the CIA being able to operate inside USA which they probably do through selling heroin from Afghanistan.
 



sethnintendo said:

Don't worry the fucking NSA won't be affected.

What kind of pussy ass shutdown is this?!



"get back to work as soon as possible" says obama... even though a majority ARE NOT AFFECTED as they have already had a temp lay off in effect starting monday of many gov employees... good timing i guess...

"war in Afghanistan coming to a close soon" says obama... surprised as not a lot of mention there since the war started right after 9/11/01

 

edit: basically Obama has already outspent our US budget enough to lay off gov employess who were only working 4 days a week and on temp lay off this past monday anyways... but hey lets spend a bunch of money we don't have because the politicians taking pay cuts is out of the question!



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date