dallas said:
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Oh okay. My bad then. It just seems like Apples to Oranges to me.
One of the reasons I will never buy a MS console is because of their business practices in the 80s and 90s. I feel the PC market would be a better place today if they didnt dominate the OS market by dirty business practices and I would hate to see what would happen to the console market if they ever got that kind of foothold in it
ListerOfSmeg said:
One of the reasons I will never buy a MS console is because of their business practices in the 80s and 90s. I feel the PC market would be a better place today if they didnt dominate the OS market by dirty business practices and I would hate to see what would happen to the console market if they ever got that kind of foothold in it |
Exactly, at least with that we have two other consoles that seem about equal in power, as well as an upcoming plethora of android cheapo-consoles. There is a terrific amount of diversity and i'm all for it.
I use google because it is a good search engine. I don't use bing, because I don't care and much probably is worse than google.
I use android, because it is the OS in the phone I have. I don't have any other phone, because iPhone is too expensive and doesn't even do half the stuff I'm used to, and windows phone goes in the same basket as iphone, with only less apps.
so yeah, I think they kinda deserve their monopoly if no other company is willing to stand up.
I don't understand what is anti-competitive about Google.
They provide a search tool that has been so damn good its now synonymous with search. As part of its results it returns important and viable information from maps and videos (as well as pics/news/etc). It obviously uses Google's own services for that distribution and why not? Maps simply make no sense to show others products and other search companies do the same. Videos actually show from Youtube as well as VEVO and others.
Bing operates exactly like Google. As does Yahoo. difference is Google just does it better to the greater majority of people. Hell, if Apple could make a good search service, they would too. However history with Maps proves they can't and they should've stuck with Google as the default.
Then you have Android, Google's own full software package that easily allows you to set the default of ANY competing product. Far easier than MS has ever done in Windows.
Google is competitive. However, they do so with providing high-quality products/services for reasonable prices or simply free.
I mean for fuck sake... can you install a different marketplace/store on your iOS/WinPhone? NOPE!
Can you 100% remove IE from use? NOPE still required for updating the OS.
Balmer is simply crying foul because they can't compete. Same reason Apple jumped to lawsuits when iOS started losing its market share. (tho I agree Samsung copied way too much)
... and don't start bitching about the data they collect on you. Its no different than any search company/facebook/twitter/apple/ms/nsa/etc. With the exception that you can go into your Google account and permanently delete it all with one button push. (can even download it all first if you wish)
Oh so because Microsoft got into trouble for anti-trust practices at some point other companies are allowed to do so and Microsoft cannot complain about it? This is not about Microsoft here, it is about Google and frankly Google is really on the edge on many area with the anti-trust laws...
*Looks at DuckDuckGo search bar in corner of browser*
Whatever you say dear.
Love and tolerate.
Hypocrisy 101. The us legal system has had their eyes on ms for a while.
| dallas said: what a hypocrite. MSFT has been charged with anticompetitive practices several times, and now he want to b!tch at Google? ------------------------------------------- Microsoft unveiled its new Bing logo and design this week, and yesterday CEO Steve Ballmer opted to highlight his concerns over Google's business practices. During a presentation at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting, Ballmer discussed how Microsoft might generate money in consumer services. "Google does it," he noted. "They have this incredible, amazing, dare I say monopoly that we are the only person left on the planet trying to compete with." Asked by an analyst how Microsoft can attack Google's dominance in search and advertising, Ballmer explained "we're the only guys in the world trying," with the Bing search engine. Bing now accounts for 17.9 percent of search share in the US, second only to Google at nearly 67 percent. Although Bing's market share has slowly grown in the US over the past two years, it has largely been at the expense of other competitors like Yahoo and AOL rather than Google itself. Ballmer acknowledges it's an uphill struggle. "So if we have exactly the same quality of algorithms, but a lot less scale in search advertising, we will get less revenue per search than Google does, which means they have more money to pay for distribution on Samsung devices, or Apple," says Ballmer. "So we have to generate volume in order to step up." BALLMER IS CLEARLY FRUSTRATED BY GOOGLE Before continuing to talk about scaling Bing, Ballmer paused to discuss his frustrations with Google. "I do believe that Google's practices are worthy of discussion with competition authority, and we have certainly discussed them with competition authorities," said Ballmer. "I don't think their practices are getting less meritorious of discussion." Microsoft has tried to highlight some of what it describes as Google's bad practices in a series of "Scroogled" campaigns, but the ads have had a mixed reaction. After its own troubles in the US and Europe, Microsoft is participating in a case against Google in Europe. Fair Search, which includes Microsoft, Nokia, and others, is attempting to force Google to change how search results are displayed. The case centers on concerns around how Google displays its own specialized search services alongside those of its competitors. Google proposed some changes recently, but the EU rejected them and called for a better alternative. In the US, similar concerns resulted in a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission that Microsoft described as "weak" and "unusual." "I THINK THEY NEED PRESSURE FROM COMPETITION AUTHORITY. I THINK THEY NEED PRESSURE IN THE MARKETPLACE." Ballmer says Microsoft has chosen to highlight "the bundling that they're doing with YouTube and Google Maps and some other things." Recently, Microsoft and Google have been fighting over a YouTube app for Windows Phone. Google wants Microsoft to build the app using HTML5 standards it doesn't use for its own native apps on iOS and Android, and Microsoft is pushing for a native app for Windows Phone. After Microsoft built its own app, Google blocked it and prevented it from accessing the video service. Ballmer didn't dig into his concerns over YouTube or Google Maps, but he made Microsoft's opinion very clear. "I think they need pressure from competition authority. I think they need pressure in the marketplace." As for Bing's attempt to pressure Google in the marketplace, Ballmer didn't explain Microsoft's exact plans, but he did point to the Siri partnership with Apple as a good example. "That advertising marketplace right now, Google has pretty well defensed," he said. "But I think we've got a pretty good attack strategy. It will take a little bit more time, and a little bit more patience. I think it will have great economic return for our shareholders, and at the same time changes a lot of the competitive dynamics overall between our companies." |
If they get their OS monopoly out and their desire to monopolize the living room they can start to complain... So wimsy to complain just on the markets you don't domain but keep pushing for monopoly in the ones you do.
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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
I don't understand why anyone is calling Ballmer a hypocrite. That's ridiculous and comes off as a statement not based in logic, but out of bias for/against a company, or possibly just out of ignorance.
MS is always being monitored and scrutinized for their market share of PC operating systems and Office software, among other things. Ballmer is not asking them to STOP bothering MS. He's simply asking them to check into Google as well. He's asking for equal treatment, which isn't even remotely hypocritical in this case.
Literally every Xbox fan on this site has rushed to Balmer's defense. Can't blame them, Sony fans would do the same thing if Kaz said something stupid.
Sigs are dumb. And so are you!
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