curl-6 said:
The technical difference is quite distinct. Bayonetta 1 is one of my favourite games of the 7th gen, but Wii U's superior RAM and GPU really show when you compare it to Bayo 2, even in the latter's unfinished state. |
I don't know about the superior GPU but it does have more ram although slower ram.
fatslob-:O said:
I don't know about the superior GPU but it does have more ram although slower ram. |
Shin'en have already confirmed the GPU as being several generations (GPU generations, obviously) ahead of PS3/360.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/shinen_wii_u_has_enough_power_for_years_to_come_gpu_is_several_generations_ahead_of_current_consoles
And the OP already addressed the slower RAM issue; "Theoretical RAM bandwidth in a system doesn’t tell you too much because GPU caching will hide a lot of this latency."
Having more than 3 times as much eDRAM as 360 also alleviates the issue, because you can use that for things that require fast RAM access.
fatslob-:O said:
@Bold LOL that thing isn't anything like Brazos or Llano otherwise why is the CPU and GPU separate compared to those processors having their GPU's integrated on the die. What part of "tessellation and depth of field aren't automatically handled by the WII U's API" this time did you not understand. I said that every developer would need to impliment their own solutions by modifying the engine to allow such features. |
Have a look at the die shot comparisons in the Latte thread on Gaf and all will become clear. It looks nothing like an R700. The closest in terms of the layout of transistors is Brazos.
And we have no idea how depth of field, HDR are handled with Latte. If they are handled by an evolved TEV Unit developers would have two choices - using the fixed functions or use valuable shaders to implement their own. Going by analysis on Gaf we're probably looking at 160-320 of them which isn't a great deal.
Nintendo must have made steps in an attempt to bridge the gap in power between the Wii U, PS4 and One and fixed functions fit the bill. There's a great deal about Latte that's a complete mystery.
snowdog said:
Have a look at the die shot comparisons in the Latte thread on Gaf and all will become clear. It looks nothing like an R700. The closest in terms of the layout of transistors is Brazos. And we have no idea how depth of field, HDR are handled with Latte. If they are handled by an evolved TEV Unit developers would have two choices - using the fixed functions or use valuable shaders to implement their own. Going by analysis on Gaf we're probably looking at 160-320 of them which isn't a great deal. Nintendo must have made steps in an attempt to bridge the gap in power between the Wii U, PS4 and One and fixed functions fit the bill. There's a great deal about Latte that's a complete mystery. |
I wouldn't put too much stock in neogaf's speculations, they're working without a lot of solid evidence. It should be viewed as what it is; guesswork.
Not guesswork when they've been comparing and contrasting the Latte and Brazos die shots though mate. The guesswork comes when trying to identify groups of transistors, ROPs, ALUs etc.
The Latte doesn't look exactly like Brazos but it's a great deal closer than an R700. Like I've said it looks like Nintendo and AMD have made a Frankenstein creation lol. It's a completely custom chip and we know next to nothing about it.
| snowdog said: Not guesswork when they've been comparing and contrasting the Latte and Brazos die shots though mate. The guesswork comes when trying to identify groups of transistors, ROPs, ALUs etc. The Latte doesn't look exactly like Brazos but it's a great deal closer than an R700. Like I've said it looks like Nintendo and AMD have made a Frankenstein creation lol. It's a completely custom chip and we know next to nothing about it. |
That my point, some is by necessity estimation, because the actual specs are under NDA.
curl-6 said:
Shin'en have already confirmed the GPU as being several generations (GPU generations, obviously) ahead of PS3/360. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/shinen_wii_u_has_enough_power_for_years_to_come_gpu_is_several_generations_ahead_of_current_consoles And the OP already addressed the slower RAM issue; "Theoretical RAM bandwidth in a system doesn’t tell you too much because GPU caching will hide a lot of this latency." Having more than 3 times as much eDRAM as 360 also alleviates the issue, because you can use that for things that require fast RAM access. |
Sure the GPU can do more shader operations and output a little higher primitives for better character models and evironments but it doesn't beat the PS3 in texture fillrates.
GPU caches can only do so much plus microsoft tried to apply the same situation but look what happened to them. Eventually the GPU will need to access the main memory and it ain't gonna be pretty plus the wii u can't always depend that eDRAM to always have that piece of data considering that it can only cache about 32mb a time.
Storing textures on the eDRAM is out of the the question unless they attempt to use tiled deferred rendering.
Third parties suck sometimes! (Looking at you EA, Capcom, and Square)
Proud gamer of Nintendo and Sony consoles since 2003.
fatslob-:O said:
Sure the GPU can do more shader operations and output a little higher primitives for better character models and evironments but it doesn't beat the PS3 in texture fillrates. GPU caches can only do so much plus microsoft tried to apply the same situation but look what happened to them. Eventually the GPU will need to access the main memory and it ain't gonna be pretty plus the wii u can't always depend that eDRAM to always have that piece of data considering that it can only cache about 32mb a time. Storing textures on the eDRAM is out of the the question unless they attempt to use tiled deferred rendering. |
What's your source for the PS3 GPU having better fillrate?
The 360 ran into eDRAM problems because 10MB simply wasn't enough; you frequently had to render in multiple passes or in sub-HD resolutions. The Wii U has 32MB of eDRAM, so it won't sufer the same issues.
curl-6 said:
What's your source for the PS3 GPU having better fillrate? The 360 ran into eDRAM problems because 10MB simply wasn't enough; you frequently had to render in multiple passes or in sub-HD resolutions. The Wii U has 32MB of eDRAM, so it won't sufer the same issues. |
It's based on the fact that chipworks took a die shot and digital foundry did an analysis on it. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-wii-u-graphics-power-finally-revealed
The similarities to the AMD RV770 basically means it has 16 TMU's compared to the PS3's 24 TMU's.
Like I said these small caches are fine if you attempt tiled rendering(software wise ofcourse).
About Us |
Terms of Use |
Privacy Policy |
Advertise |
Staff |
Contact
Display As Desktop
Display As Mobile
© 2006-2024 VGChartz Ltd. All rights reserved.
