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ethomaz said:

Goatseye said:

ethomaz I'm pretty sure a Portuguese Kinect would have problems recognizing a lot of Brazilian Portuguese words. And that would require some extra work.

Microsoft will obviously prioritize markets where it thinks it has better/more business impact.

Again... Brasil is tier 1... no delay... if the Kinect yet heve problems with Brasilian Portugues then this news is a big lier because they delayed in the others places because the localization has to be perfect... so the tie 1 contries can't have problems with voice recognition.

Or you agree with the news or you agree that localization is not the problem.

ethomaz I think you're smart, don't act like this. Brasil have developed MS structure Portugal,Angola,Cabo Verde,Moçambique,Macau,São Tome e Príncipe don't.



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Goatseye said:

ethomaz I think you're smart, don't act like this. Brasil have developed MS structure Portugal,Angola,Cabo Verde,Moçambique,Macau,São Tome e Príncipe don't.

Please read again my post... if there any problem with voice localization in Brasil then this news is false... so to that news be true you can't say there are any issue with voice localization here lol.

You need to be reasonable... or you believe in the news or not... both is impossible.



Oh well, these things happen. Its not like they didn't try.



RenCutypoison said:
ganoncrotch said:
RenCutypoison said:

Did kinect 1 worked with other languages ?

 

But yeah I don't mean when we speak Irish (Gaeilge)


Yeah I kinda figured you were speaking about accent,, not language. The thing is, if it can barely recognize an accent, what about another language.

If you look at the most recognize synthetic voice software in the world (vocaloid 3), it's perfect in japanese, it's becoming good in korean and it sucks in english.

After almost ten years, and Kinect is only 3 years old.

Well, of course it's not the same, it's recognition vs creation, but still, there is a world between making it work for one language, and then for tens of them.

Sounds impossible to me.


yeah that's why by default it tries to collect samples of voice from different region to learn what people are saying to it, I mean there are what? 25million kinects out there now and if everyone allowed those to sample their voices and pool it all together the service would get better exponentially faster.... but yeah there is something about being part of making something better without getting a pat on the back for it that people just dont wanna go for. Heck they even made an app here in Europe where you go and do some surveys which are answered into kinect just to better the software behind it and they offer achievements and avatar rewards for using that survey software.

Bit of a shame really all those failed attempts at me yelling for a change of weapon have not gone to make the system better as a whole.



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ethomaz said:

Goatseye said:

ethomaz I think you're smart, don't act like this. Brasil have developed MS structure Portugal,Angola,Cabo Verde,Moçambique,Macau,São Tome e Príncipe don't.

Please read again my post... if there any problem with voice localization in Brasil then this news is false... so to that news be true you can't say there are any issue with voice localization here lol.

You need to be reasonable... or you believe in the news or not... both is impossible.

Maybe I'm not coming out loud and clear over...

Portuguese from Brasil is not exactly like Portuguese from Portugal. You said:"That excuse lies when you have one supported country and another not supported that uses the same language lol."

Kinect voice control on some English speaking countries are not as good in the US and UK. Therefore, in those countries MS needs a little but more extra work to bring it on par with US/UK.



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ganoncrotch said:
RenCutypoison said:

Yeah I kinda figured you were speaking about accent,, not language. The thing is, if it can barely recognize an accent, what about another language.

If you look at the most recognize synthetic voice software in the world (vocaloid 3), it's perfect in japanese, it's becoming good in korean and it sucks in english.

After almost ten years, and Kinect is only 3 years old.

Well, of course it's not the same, it's recognition vs creation, but still, there is a world between making it work for one language, and then for tens of them.

Sounds impossible to me.


yeah that's why by default it tries to collect samples of voice from different region to learn what people are saying to it, I mean there are what? 25million kinects out there now and if everyone allowed those to sample their voices and pool it all together the service would get better exponentially faster.... but yeah there is something about being part of making something better without getting a pat on the back for it that people just dont wanna go for. Heck they even made an app here in Europe where you go and do some surveys which are answered into kinect just to better the software behind it and they offer achievements and avatar rewards for using that survey software.

Bit of a shame really all those failed attempts at me yelling for a change of weapon have not gone to make the system better as a whole.

Actually getting audio samples from all over the world, without kinect recognizing it in the first place would not help at all. It needs a lot more manual work, kinect is not a bottom up AI.



Although waiting sucks really badly, at least if this is really integral to the system and works flawlessly its good to know Microsoft want it to work for you out of the box. At least you will know Microsoft aren't gonna patch the hell out of your console for the first year.

it does suck. But hey it will work as intended day 1 for all countries. That's a good thing.



anyway those delayed country will wait what till early 2014 ???? most people that didn't pre order will probably have to wait until second wave of shipments which will probably include more countries by then....

the real question right now is ... when will it launch in NA.... when will it launch in tier 1 EU and how long will it take for tier 2 to get them.... I don't see why it would take long for tier 2 EU.... we'll see those are the important question.... the reason for delays are quiet irrelevant anyway... I don't see why they would be lying it doesn't make sense what so ever.... localization issue being worst than supply issues IMO



Goatseye said:

Maybe I'm not coming out loud and clear over...

Portuguese from Brasil is not exactly like Portuguese from Portugal. You said:"That excuse lies when you have one supported country and another not supported that uses the same language lol."

Kinect voice control on some English speaking countries are not as good in the US and UK. Therefore, in those countries MS needs a little but more extra work to bring it on par with US/UK.

Outch...

Just five countries will have localization in voice commands...

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/get-the-facts?xr=shellnav

US, UK, CA, FR, and DE.

So what the new excuse for the delay in the others countries? Because even without voice comandas 8 countries are receiving the Xbone... like I said locatlization has nothing to do with the dealy... MS is lying again.



ethomaz said:

Goatseye said:

Maybe I'm not coming out loud and clear over...

Portuguese from Brasil is not exactly like Portuguese from Portugal. You said:"That excuse lies when you have one supported country and another not supported that uses the same language lol."

Kinect voice control on some English speaking countries are not as good in the US and UK. Therefore, in those countries MS needs a little but more extra work to bring it on par with US/UK.

Outch...

Just five countries will have localization in voice commands...

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/get-the-facts?xr=shellnav

US, UK, CA, FR, and DE.

So what the new excuse for the delay in the others countries? Because even without voice comandas 8 countries are receiving the Xbone... like I said locatlization has nothing to do with the dealy... MS is lying again.


you do realize localization includes market place, localized services/apps, and yes voice.... but yeah you are right they are lying with a worst excuse than what a lack of supply would be.... makes perfect sense....