Actually, you're wrong on this point. The police did not tell him to do anything, dispatch told him which is not a legally binding order. Dispatch has no legal authority to do anything...Despite that, the conclusion that he followed Treyvon is contrary to the evdience which said the altercation happened 70 yards from Treyvons car and 20 yards from the vehicle that Zimmerman was driving...our justice system did not fail...murder of any kind is hard to proove and that standard is high for a reason. 

I don't know why you keep focusing on Jeantels testimony.

Her story of events don't match up to any of the other evidence and she admitted to lying to police and trayvons mother about irrelevant facts... If she lied about simple things what else did she lie about? In addition to the admitted lies she also testified that her story changed because she didn't think those bits of information was relevant...  Okay, so you are the last person who talked to a person who was shot and you don't think details are relevant? On top of all that she never even seemed interested in being there. If your friend was murdered and you had information that would put his assailant behind bars wouldn't you want to? I don't buy her story for a second. In my opinion one of two things happened with her. Either she has no idea what happened because she didn't hear anything. OR (and I think this is more likely) she knows more than she is saying BUT she is leaving details out that might paint trayvon in a worse position OR over exagerating the story (like everybody does when they are telling their story) but past the point of it being reasonable.... or maybe she is even doing both. But I am 100% confident in saying as EVERYONE should agree there was definatly something off in her testimony and to take it at face value is very naive (for lack of a better word).

I feel that if she is leaving out information to help trayvons case it just makes what she is saying suspicious. However, if she were to include those things she thinks makes him look bad that more people would be less suspicious of her testimony and more understanding of what happened that night if Zimmerman were the aggressor

The dispatcher didn't even tell him not to. Wording is very important here. They said "we don't need you to do that" and never said "Don't do that." And at that point Zimmerman said okay and he was going back to the car and to have the cops call him when they are on scene so he can tell them exactly where he was.

trust me i'm sure i'm more shocked that people take every word that come out of zimmerman's mouth... 

the fucking guy trying to justify what he did as gospel

i just read a post where someone asks "why would he lie"

apparently because zimmerman said it lol its "fact" that martin "sucker punched" him

I really hope you aren't referring to my post when I asked why would he lie because thats just you misrepressenting facts again.

I don't believe everything that comes out of Zimmermans mouth but the people who are trying to paint him in a worse picture are really stretching with assumptions. We know he was telling the truth about reporting Trayvon. We know he was telling the truth about following Trayvon. We know he was telling the truth about getting beaten. We know he was telling the truth about shooting Trayvon. But some how people like you use reverse logic to make absurd claims to find something that he did wrong that isn't supported by evidence.

The only thing that isn't supported by facts that Zimmerman said was Trayvon saying "You going to die tonight" and I think Zimmerman is doing exaclty what Jeantel is doing. Which is over exagerating to get more sympathy.

You do know that if the count was on manslaughter instead of second degree murder Zimmerman most likely would've gone to jail. A lesser count without testimony just made no sense, it would've been stupid not to let him go. The prosecution made a better case for manslaughter but it was a lesser charge. Even with neglegence with a deadly weapon. This is why the jury had to ask again for the definition of manslaughter before the verdict. I bet the prosecution feels sorry now.

Secondly, based on the cop/ self defense experts testimony, Zimmermans cuts on the back of the head are not subject from someones head being violently bashed on the floor. He would've had to have put up a struggle and his head hit the concrete for sure, which was Mark Omara's second point. 

The moral of the story is....don't get into fights you cannot finish. Let the cops handle the job and one kid would've been going to college now and Zimmerman would've been moving on with his life. 

Your first paragraph contradicts itself and makes no sense. We don't know why the jury asked for clarification because they didn't follow up with it. They also came out with a verdict shortly thereafter. In my opinion they were pretty much set on a Not Guilty verdict at that point. If they were leaning towards manslaughter it would be awfully quick turn around. Especially without getting clarification. Because they didn't follow up that says to me its because they really didn't care since they weren't really considering it.

It's a mighty huge assumption of yours to think trayvon would be in college now considering his girlfriend is 19 and still in high school and he was suspended multiple times, a fighter, and drug user

People on twitter hoping Juror B37 is 'raped and killed': http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/hope-this-juror-btch-gets-raped-justice-for-trayvon-mob-hopes-juror-b37-suffers-rape-and-death/

Protestor hits waiter with hammer in Oakland... justice for Trayvon?: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/heckuva-job-mob-oakland-waiter-attacked-with-hammer-by-trayvon-martin-vigilantes/

Youth Radio windows smashed: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/for-trayvon-genius-rioters-smash-up-youth-radio-in-oakland-photos-video/

Oakland media attacked at protest: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/reports-kcal-9-reporters-injured-at-trayvon-martin-riot-in-crenshaw-oakland-media-attacked-again/

Twitter users falsely 'identify' juror B37: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/sickos-spread-false-rumor-about-zimmerman-jurors-name-lynch-mob-threats-begin/

Protesters storm and vandalize/rob Walmart: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/lapd-declares-citywide-tactical-alert-zimmerman-protesters-storm-walmart/

Protestors block Houston freeway: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/15/hundreds-of-trayvon-martin-protesters-shut-down-houston-freeway-pics-video/

Fighting fake injustice with real ignorance. Keep it classy, protestors. As the race baiting, violence spreading, sheepherder Al Sharpton said: "No justice, no peace"

In reality, this kind of bullshit shames the memory of Trayvon, makes the black community look bad, and makes me sick to my stomach. This type of behavior only makes things worse and fuels the fires of racism on both sides. I'm so sick of the race baiting fools like Sharpton (and the complicit media) whipping people up into a frenzy for their own selfish purposes. Yuck.

I guess you weren't watching CNN where a bunch of star lawyers were talking about why a jury would generally ask for a definition so late in the deliberation process, correct? 

I never contradicted myself. This case could've gone either way, and as I have attested to, second degree murder cannot be proven with such little facts, especially with people corroborating what little facts there were. I have been a juror myself, so I am not new to the ropes. Every lawyer on the panel stated (as well as I in another post) that if the stated wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter as a primary charge instead of second degree murder, they would never have had to prove intent (ie: self defense or malicious). The stated chose to demonize Zimmerman in such a struggle to get the case to even be put on. I understand Stanford is a biased area and wouldn't have even started an investigation, but the fact remains that they got cocky, just because of the media attention. It serves them right.

Now....pay attention:

Manslaughter-

"The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter. Manslaughter is not as serious a crime as murder. On the other hand, it is not a justifiable or excusable killing for which little or no punishment is imposed."

-Legal-Dictionary (From freedictionary.com)

That girl is not Trayvons girlfriend. 

Wait....leave your personal feelings for Trayvon out of this, you don't know him and neither do I. Stay objective here.

In highschool, many kids have that same record. Obama smoked weed who cares? Bush smoked weed, was a drunk and horrible driver? Did that ever stop  him from being president? Do not assume someones purpose in life...anyones. Zimmermans no angel when it comes to his record as well provoking cops into a fight in 2006, but I didn't have to talk about that. I was trying to keep this objective. I cannot stand Nancy Grace, but in her prosecutor ways she dug that up and other things on Zimmerman if you listen to multiple sources. She was riding the prosecution for doing such a horrible job.

Yes lets take legal experts word on what was going on in the jury room that they had no clue was going on... or lets listen to a juror.

An initial vote was divided. Three of the jurors first voted Zimmerman was guilty, while three voted he was not guilty, she said. Juror B37 was among those who believed he was not guilty from the start.

"There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go," she said.

Jurors were not identified by name during the trial, which sparked a broad debate about gun laws and race in America.

The juror said she did not believe Zimmerman profiled Martin, who was African-American, because of the color of his skin.