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Tigerlure said:
Meh I consider Republicans to be hypocrites in general, so I'm not surprised. Party of "small government" just imposing their will.

One thing that strikes me as funny is they claim to be pro-life. They are pro-birth, not pro-life. They don't give a damn about the child's life or what becomes of the life.


But, you don't consider Democrats to be hypocrites? lol

Both parties are absolutely terrible.  Don't be fooled.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Mr Khan said:
The 20 weeks thing is neither here nor there. What it affects is in these onerous requirements shutting down clinics that a lot of women use for a broad array of health services.

It so often seems like prenatal life is the only life the pro-lifers give a damn about, given their opposition to funding for any health services for the living.


The same can be said for pro choice (only opposite). It's as if they deem the unborn life as irrelevant without remembering that it is a living being in there, not an inaminate object. 

That makes no sense. The political leanings of the pro-choice tend to respect all sentient human life, at least in the desire to make sure that all people are guaranteed a minimal quality of life, as opposed to the pro-life, whose concern for the unborn only extends as far as not allowing women to terminate them. I mean, hell, conservatives oppose support for government-funded maternal health care in pretty much all its forms, so if the baby is miscarried through malnutrition, or a lack of health care on the mother's part, nobody sheds a tear.

The pro-life movement is poorly named. All they care about is stopping abortion, but they care nothing for the actual life of the fetus or quality of life of the baby that fetus will become.



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Mr Khan said:

That makes no sense. The political leanings of the pro-choice tend to respect all sentient human life, at least in the desire to make sure that all people are guaranteed a minimal quality of life, as opposed to the pro-life, whose concern for the unborn only extends as far as not allowing women to terminate them. I mean, hell, conservatives oppose support for government-funded maternal health care in pretty much all its forms, so if the baby is miscarried through malnutrition, or a lack of health care on the mother's part, nobody sheds a tear.

The pro-life movement is poorly named. All they care about is stopping abortion, but they care nothing for the actual life of the fetus or quality of life of the baby that fetus will become.

They care about people accepting the consequences of their actions. This is something the Liberals seem to think doesn't exist.



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aikohualda said:
no to abortion.... but dont let that baby take my tax money if the mom cant afford it... yeah the conservative way...


Or... you could just... not have sex if you're not able to deal with the natural consequences?


or adopt it out. There are plenty of couples who can afford to have children but cannot naturally. 



 

 

Vertigo-X said:
Mr Khan said:

That makes no sense. The political leanings of the pro-choice tend to respect all sentient human life, at least in the desire to make sure that all people are guaranteed a minimal quality of life, as opposed to the pro-life, whose concern for the unborn only extends as far as not allowing women to terminate them. I mean, hell, conservatives oppose support for government-funded maternal health care in pretty much all its forms, so if the baby is miscarried through malnutrition, or a lack of health care on the mother's part, nobody sheds a tear.

The pro-life movement is poorly named. All they care about is stopping abortion, but they care nothing for the actual life of the fetus or quality of life of the baby that fetus will become.

They care about people accepting the consequences of their actions. This is something the Liberals seem to think doesn't exist.


Which is not something exclusive to the left. The pro-life movement does not understand that they can attempt to ban abortions and limit it but it will not stop abortions from happening anyway. I also think that restricting abortions to a certain time frame without considering background information is ridiculous.



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Until a child is born, a baby is just a parasite.

A bit extreme, but a woman should have a right to do whatever the fuck she wants with her body. If that means getting rid of something she doesn't want leeching off her body and making her life a living hell, then she has that right. She also has the right to keep it. Her body, her decision.

And besides, I know humans tend to be very attached to other humans (it's our social nature that helped us evolve and become the dominant species on the planet), but objectively an unborn fetus is as much 'human' as a wad of cancer cells. It has no memories, it has no history, it has no personality, it's just a mass of cells leeching off the mother. It can become a person, but while it's still a fetus, it's just a mass of cells.

And I know my opinion is an unpopular one, but there's nothing morally wrong with having an abortion. You may see it as murder or that you're killing an innocent, but you also need to realize that sometimes the best thing to do is to take the lesser evil, and I know a lot of women who have had abortions that would have had their lives (and subsequently the lives of their offspring) ruined had they kept the kid. Stopping a life before it begins is more humane then letting a child be born into a world where it's going to be miserable or unwanted.

Lesser of two evils.

Woman's choice.

The world's population is too high as it is, fewer babies is a good thing in the long run (though contraception should be a priority)

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As a male minority from Texas, I'm proud of this measure. 20 weeks is plenty of time to think about whether you want to abort or not, and like many, it should go down to 16 imo. And, for the poster that stated that the big issue here is the lack of funding for certain clinics for people that can't afford it, guess what? I thought Obama Care was supposed to take care of that.

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22 weeks is good enough for now. I don't understand the people that say "Go ahead, kill the baby a few weeks before it's due. It's your body!" nor do I understand those that say you can't do it at all.
I think this is a happy middle, as of now.



I'm pro choice... I guess.

But these restrictions seem pretty reasonable. I mean 5 months is a long time to determine if you want to keep a baby.



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McDonaldsGuy said:
Here's my opinion... if you legalize abortion, then forced child support should be outlawed.

If you're that opposed to paying child support use a condom.

Your solution just encourages irresponsibility on the part of men.



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