But look at the number of high quality 1st/3rd party exclusives each console had at this point.

Wii U-NSMBU, Nintendo Land, ZombiU, Lego City

Gamecube-Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race, Smash Bros, Rogue Squadron, Super Monkey Ball, Resident Evil, Pikmin, Mario Sunshine(might be wrong on this one)

Also GC was $200 compared to XB/PS2 at $300, Wii U is $300-350 compared to PS360 at $200-300.

Once Wii U big exclusives come out and its no longer the most expensive, it will sell much better than it currently is.

I predict Wii u will probably have 20-25 million sold consoles lifetime

I sure hope so.

But if these games didn't make the Gamecube a great seller why will they make the Wii U better than Gamecube? Obviously more games means it will sell better, but why assume it will sell better than Gamecube?

Also out of all the games they both had by this point, NSMBU is from the best selling series by far. The only thing bigger Nintendo has is Mario Kart, and Gamecube didn't get that for a while.

I hope it does. Sometimes I think I'm seriously out of sync with everyone else. I thought the GC was by far the best console of that generation and it's sales sucked, and I love the Wii U and it's sales suck too. I bought the Wii and found it to be the worst gaming console purchase I had ever made and everyone else loved it. Also, I'm not really a Nintendo fan, more of a Metroid fan and those games seem to sell worse than the other AAA games from Nintendo. FML. I'd like to be in the majority, just this once, then my console of choice will actually get a steady stream of games.

My last post wasnt disputing lifetime sales, I was talking about sales thru there first 8 months because u brought up Wii U currently selling worse than Gamecube.

But to answer ur question about why GC didnt sell well overall, ive got a few ideas why

1. PS2 was an unstoppable juggernaut. I dont see any console this gen being able to replicate that success.

2. Nintendo got funky with its established ip's. Mario went on vacation, Zelda was too cartoony, Fox left the cockpit, DK started playing the bongos and Kirby became a racer. Sunshine had a spin off vibe to it while 3D World Is an accessible, co-op traditional Mario that may seem like the true sequel to NSMB. Wind Waker has actually gotten more well recieved compared to when it originally launched. Donkey Kong on GC was all rythem/music based while Tropical Freeze is a traditional sequel. We dont know about Star Fox/Kriby yet but im positive they will be traditional sequels if they do release on Wii U.

3. Xbox stole the shooter crowd with Halo. Before that it was on N64 with GoldenEye/Perfect Dark/Turok.

Also ur right NSMB is bigger than any of the series i listed in the last post but its the only title on Wii U that could be considered a system seller but its not going to push massive amounts of consloes at $350 without other 1st party titles to support it. Every previos NSMB game released when the console was $200 or less and had an established library to support it.

Nintendo and its games are more popular now than 10 years ago thanks to Wii vastly expanding its audience. Overall I dont see Wii U matching Wii numbers by a long shot or even getting first this gen but it should comfortably sell better than GC.

Suggesting it will sell less than the GameCube, or even near it, is ridiculous. It should easily beat it, and double it, on brand power alone.

That isn't saying much. Gamecube sold about 20 million in 5 years?

It's current rate of sales have it selling at GameCube level, yes. I do not see Nintendo keeping this console around long enough to make the sales go much past the cube.

It is definitely tracking below the Ps3 and 360 at the same time in months after launch.

People should bump Kitler's thread so you can see the data and he keeps updating it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155389&page=1#30

Even though I'm not enamored with a lot of the company decisions Nintendo has made the last couple of years, I hope it does as well, because the industry will be boring if its just Sony/MS and Nintendo can't just cruise off the handheld business forever because of all the kids now growing up using tablets/phones instead of game handhelds.

Pretty much all the problems with the Wii U are self inflicted mistakes by Nintendo, not neccessarily anything due to competetion.

It's frustrating because it's like watching your friend in slow motion make a horrible mistake and you see it coming from a mile away, but they do it anyway.