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mibuokami on 19 June 2013
dobby985 said:
VGKing said:
You really think they did this because they are listening to their fans? They did this because Sony had too many advantages.
-No DRM
-Lower Price
-More Power

They eliminated one of those advantages Sony had and no it can actually be a competition. Microsoft doesn't care about you, they care about sales. By now they already have pre-order data and I'm betting they were horrified at how fast the Xbox brand was being destroyed.


Sony doesnt care about you either. No corporation cares about you.

THIS 100%

Don't be fool by Sony's 'for the consumer' speech, Sony is for Sony and Microsoft is for Microsoft.

The later issued policy that witness HUGE public outcry and the former took advantage.

The real reason why both companies are now clearly stating #NODRM is consumer activism and the voice of the people being heard! We are but pebbles, but joined together we caused an avalanche that toppled the media, Sony and finally Microsoft.

Vive la Revolution!




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LordMatrix on 20 June 2013

I pre-ordered mine during E3 but it is nice that these policies changed since it effected certain consumers from being able to enjoy the system.



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MoHasanie on 20 June 2013

YAY! Good choice! I too would get the Xbox 1 at launch if I could afford it, but $499 seems like too much for me. However, I will definitely get it as soon as it drops to $399.



    

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DevilRising on 20 June 2013

Still have zero interest/attraction in the Xbox brand in general, so this news affects me very little.



Captain_Tom on 20 June 2013
bananaking21 said:
Captain_Tom said:


EXACTLY!  If they would have announced at E3 that they were dropping the DRM and all that stuff along with releasing a $400 Kinectless SKU: we would have known they are making these changes to make money AND because it is clearly what their consumers want.  

But instead they acted arragant as hell and dropped it once they realized the launch ratio would have been 6:1 in favor of PS4.  

In all honesty I think they should have just made the DRM worth it and stuck with it at this point.  Now they look like they really don't know what they are doing.  The damage has already been done.  It will only be outsold 3:1 instead of dead on arrival...

i doubt it will be outsold 3:1 (atleast in the USA) but the image of the xbox 1 certainly isnt a good one. a lot of people have associated a bad imagine with the console and that might affect the outlook of consumers on it in the future, im surpised MS acted so fast, its honestly a smart move to act so fast. if they just announced no DRM at e3 and all those exclusives they would have won by a land slide, but sony didnt even bother to announce everything. they just announced one new exclusive (the order 1886).

how on earth would they have made the DRM worth it? 

Well look at it this way:

-In the US the PS4 is seemingly shipping 3x the consoles at launch anyways so it isn't up to MS if it will outsell it by that much since PS4's are almost all sold out already.

-The PS4 is surely going to launch at least a week ahead of the Xbox One to further undercut it. (Call it conjecture but they will to counter DRM)

-The Xbox's TV features won't work outside of the US so Europe is even more Sony's land.

-Sony dominates Asia already and now they are launching a full year in that country (Or close) ahead of the Xbox One while being stronger, Costing far less, having more games (In that region), and not completely making a fool of themselves.

 

Thus I expect Sony to eat most of MS's European market, 50%+ of MS's Asian market (Since it is already so small), and 50%+ of MS's US market.  That should easily lead to a first year ratio of 3:1.  I could be wrong, but you have to admit I have some valid points and MS's posion is REALLY bad right now.

 

Side Note:  How do they make DRM worth it?   By explaining it better, not being as arragant, making the DRM only apply if your game is installed, and allowing game sharing if you accept DRM.  Still not great, but now they just look like they have no clue what they are doing...



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S.T.A.G.E. on 20 June 2013
mibuokami said:
dobby985 said:
VGKing said:
You really think they did this because they are listening to their fans? They did this because Sony had too many advantages.
-No DRM
-Lower Price
-More Power

They eliminated one of those advantages Sony had and no it can actually be a competition. Microsoft doesn't care about you, they care about sales. By now they already have pre-order data and I'm betting they were horrified at how fast the Xbox brand was being destroyed.


Sony doesnt care about you either. No corporation cares about you.

THIS 100%

Don't be fool by Sony's 'for the consumer' speech, Sony is for Sony and Microsoft is for Microsoft.

The later issued policy that witness HUGE public outcry and the former took advantage.

The real reason why both companies are now clearly stating #NODRM is consumer activism and the voice of the people being heard! We are but pebbles, but joined together we caused an avalanche that toppled the media, Sony and finally Microsoft.

Vive la Revolution!


Sony has been saying since Feburary that hey had no plans for DRM in their console at all. They hadn't even thought about it. Because of Microsofts actions people werent buying it and forcing Sony to keep the same answer until it sunk in. At E3 Tretton said the same thing they've always said. Sony is a more consumer friendly company that Microsoft. MS is used to listening to no one but MS and only making deals with heavy hitters and their consumers get what they get. This isn't just an Xbox mentality the same goes for Windows, Zune..you name it.



Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Add Sonys PS3 and PS4 2013 games and you've got the real number of games Sony came to the party with. You don't need to be impressed by Sonys figures for games just like everyone was boasting about MS 15 exclusives. Most will be timed exclusives  like they always are and if you have a PC combo with your PC, does it really matter at all? I just bought Alan Wake on my PC, so I am not impressed. If you like Microsofts list then enjoy it bro. 

Looks like you just threw a little fit.

You mentioned the 140 games because it sounds impressive. Then you babbled about MS's 15 exclusives, timed exclusives... blah, blah. You're impossible to talk to.



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Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2013
DevilRising said:
Still have zero interest/attraction in the Xbox brand in general, so this news affects me very little.

Good for you. I would love to hear about everything you have little or no interest in.



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mibuokami on 20 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
mibuokami said:

THIS 100%

Don't be fool by Sony's 'for the consumer' speech, Sony is for Sony and Microsoft is for Microsoft.

The later issued policy that witness HUGE public outcry and the former took advantage.

The real reason why both companies are now clearly stating #NODRM is consumer activism and the voice of the people being heard! We are but pebbles, but joined together we caused an avalanche that toppled the media, Sony and finally Microsoft.

Vive la Revolution!


Sony has been saying since Feburary that hey had no plans for DRM in their console at all. They hadn't even thought about it. Because of Microsofts actions people werent buying it and forcing Sony to keep the same answer until it sunk in. At E3 Tretton said the same thing they've always said. Sony is a more consumer friendly company that Microsoft. MS is used to listening to no one but MS and only making deals with heavy hitters and their consumers get what they get. This isn't just an Xbox mentality the same goes for Windows, Zune..you name it.

Sony is more consumer friendly? The same Sony that introduced the Rootkit? The same Sony that made their answer ambigious with respect to DRM and used game back in feb? Google the actual stories of DRM back in FEeb, they had mixed messages too, they got away with it because it was February and everyone understand that policy was still up in the air... Many indsutry veteran had already been speculation even back then the posibility of DRM for next gen.

I was a day one adopter of the PS3 and will get the PS4 over the Xbox this gen as well. I like the type of product (games) Sony gives and their policy IS alligned with consumer interest right now.

But as for trust in a big corporation? I reserve that for Valve, because THEY don't have to answer to shareholders, and fat Gabe is filled with love and processed cheese.




mibuokami on 20 June 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:

LIke I said, E3 has already passed. Sony won that week. They got the most positive press and that's that. 
Microsoft reacted to Sony's PS4 policies.

PS4.

Sony got good press solely because of the DRM stuff.

Xbox won hands down in regards to games.

Unfortunately, no one was talking about the game, even juggernauts like Titanfall became nothing more than a gaf meme thanks to the #DRM heat.

Now that MS has finally done the right thing thanks to consumer pressure, we can finally get back to healthy competition where the most important things is and always should be the games.