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So DRM for 3rd party games and online passes for first party games. Got it.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

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pezus said:
Otakumegane said:

 

It's not like they suddenly decided to let the publishers do this, they had this in works for a time. This is an outright lie.

And before the Xbone conference mind you. Now theycan annouce that they have DRM in some form because the goalposts have been moved. "Oh at least it's not system-wide" Sony fans say.

Imagine the crap they would have gotten if they annouced this before Xbone reveal. Now it's suddenly acceptable?

Same stuff. This is Sony supporting publisher's decisions to go this route and I ain't havingno part in it. I'll enjoy my PS3, but I'm staying the hell away from this.

Again, they had nothing "in the works" because this was already possible eons ago. ALSO, I'm pretty sure publishers are free to do this on Nintendo consoles as well, or can you prove otherwise? If you can, I'd rather take having games with DRM than having no games at all (that want to have DRM).

Yeah, Nintendo does not nearly have the required expertise of online to implement some thing like an "online check". (And publishers have on 3DS before but that was a software feature and not a hardware one as in Nintendo's hardware did not have means to do this.)

But I'm actually still confused about whether if this is the "disk-based or "required to be online to play the game" restriction. If disk based, that means that something in the hardware itself blocked used games and means that Sony fully integrated it into the system so it could detect a used disk. If so, shame on them.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

S.T.A.G.E. said:

 I was more than happy to pay for online passes.


I get it: if Sony does it, we can condone it.



so just like before 3rd parties can choose to do it so nothing has changed



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

enditall727 said:
Muffin31190 said:
AgentZorn said:

Well it's agood thing that Sony won't block used games but 3rd party publishers probably will.


Yeah its lookin like Sony MS arent goin to be the bad guys in this situation, it's the publishers, but then again when have the publishers ever been the good guys?


Sony and MS are not in the same boat here

The MS DRM thingy makes Sony's look like a rookie

Maybe it seems to me like these publishers are shoving there money gobbling noses into an issue that shouldnt be left up to them, hence why there looking worse then Sony and atleast MS in that regard.



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Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Otakumegane said:


In a way it still is, 3rd parties are allowed to do this.

And we all know EA and Activision will.

That means to a degree, Sony are supporting the used games DRM, which makes Nintendo the only console manufacturer this gen not to restrict used games to any degree.

Honestly I'm a bit bummed that Sony "kinda" is going this route. And will still require you to go online for certain games. So it looks like I'll be getting a PS3 and sticking with it. This sealed the deal on my PS4 purchase in the future. 


Sony said back in Februrary they hadn't even thought of DRM in the console. If EA and Activision put a paywall on their games, then thats only two publishers it is in no way as bad as what the Xboxone will be forcing upon people

 

It's not like they suddenly decided to let the publishers do this, they had this in works for a time. This is an outright lie.

And before the Xbone conference mind you. Now theycan annouce that they have DRM in some form because the goalposts have been moved. "Oh at least it's not system-wide" Sony fans say.

Imagine the crap they would have gotten if they annouced this before Xbone reveal. Now it's suddenly acceptable?

Same stuff. This is Sony supporting publisher's decisions to go this route and I ain't havingno part in it. I'll enjoy my PS3, but I'm staying the hell away from this.


Lol E3 is so close there are going to be a lot of funny stuff for me to laugh at. Its always the same old story again and again, Everything Sony does is acceptable. Its up to Sony and Microsoft to convince me which will be my second next gen console to own.



pezus said:
JazzB1987 said:
Since this is sony we are talking about that also try to fool everyone with stuff like "this footage is directly captured from a PS3 system" (which basically means this is running a bluray with prerendered footage) .... I guess that means they will highly recommend instead of require the DRM stuff and since they talk about initial establishment of the console this means they are going to add this within the first 2 years.

Third party is who pushes this crap and Sony lets the third party decide so its the same shit as with Xb1....

They also never said that used games wont be blocked with a future update!

I hate that companies say everything completely mysterious and are so vague. Say NOT WITH PS4 this is simple "3" words instead of some strange PR blahblah. What about being direct? You know like "attack its weak spot for massive damage" simple yet totally understandable!

What's with always spinning this into a negative? It was up to the publishers last gen as well. This time, MS are forcing DRM on their console, while nothing changed for Sony.

I agree on this spinning stuff negatively.  You'd see the same people post about how the PS4 also has DRM to make the Xbox One look the same, now when someone made the official announcement that what was said in February was true, they're trying to spin it so the Xbox One doesn't look as bad. 

It's like they want the Xbox One to look better than the PS4 so they they're confident that they made the right decision in consoles.  Here's an easy way to fix that though.  If there's more games on a console you're interested in, then get that console, if you want other games, then get that console as well.



So 3rd parties will probably implement some sort of DRM but not 1st party games? At least that's what I got out of this article. Anyway I just hope publishers like Square Enix and Namco don't implement these policies even though I buy all of their games new anyway but still.



Wright said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 I was more than happy to pay for online passes.


I get it: if Sony does it, we can condone it.


The online pass was dumb but it doesn't compare to this new always online checkup, install each and every game fully sh!t. 

 

You could say or ask the same about some MS guys who embraced the new policy and were acting all "happy" about it. Then later prayed and hoped that Sony did the same just so they wouldnt be alone. Individuals later saying stuff like "well its only fair if Sony does it aswell" and what not..

 

Just saying..



enditall727 said:


The online pass was dumb


Not according to S.T.A.G.E, which was "more than happy" to pay for them.

 

Don't mix anything else in this conversation, as I haven't raised any other thing.

You're proving my point. If Sony does it, then it is not a corporate blow to gamers, but instead, something we can endure and condone.