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Mazty on 18 May 2013
Scoobes said:
Mazty said:

A software eng made a personal comment about the Wii U - is he not entitled to a personal opinion? His voice does not represent EA and you quite clearly don't understand how business works. 

Also: 

Yep, we've got plenty of problems, but WiiU isn't where that family/casual market is. It's on mobile/tablet now!

I've been saying that all along and clear EA agree. It's nothing personal but obviously a business decision. 

Most companies have social-media policies in place. When an employee speaks then that can be taken as representative of a companies viewpoint and twitter comments are effectively PR. Even if it is his personal opinion, comments which could affect public perception of a company (which is quite clearly the case here) should be carefully controlled and vetted.

Unprofessional comments give a poor overall image of the company.


What company do you work in??? That simply isn't true. You have departmental rules and unless something is an official statement or said by high management then it certainly is not representative of the companies view. I can't find his comments on his twitter feed so go figure just how "official" they are....

But yes, unprofessional comments certainly do give a poor overall image of the company. 



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Scoobes on 18 May 2013
Mazty said:
Scoobes said:
Mazty said:

A software eng made a personal comment about the Wii U - is he not entitled to a personal opinion? His voice does not represent EA and you quite clearly don't understand how business works. 

Also: 

Yep, we've got plenty of problems, but WiiU isn't where that family/casual market is. It's on mobile/tablet now!

I've been saying that all along and clear EA agree. It's nothing personal but obviously a business decision. 

Most companies have social-media policies in place. When an employee speaks then that can be taken as representative of a companies viewpoint and twitter comments are effectively PR. Even if it is his personal opinion, comments which could affect public perception of a company (which is quite clearly the case here) should be carefully controlled and vetted.

Unprofessional comments give a poor overall image of the company.


What company do you work in??? That simply isn't true. You have departmental rules and unless something is an official statement or said by high management then it certainly is not representative of the companies view. I can't find his comments on his twitter feed so go figure just how "official" they are....

But yes, unprofessional comments certainly do give a poor overall image of the company. 

An international Bioscience company that develops kits for diagnostics and reagents for research. We have a company wide social media policy in place to control the flow of information to the public so we have to be careful what we say on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn etc. We're free to post but if it's something that might affect the business or public perception (as occured here) we're advised to check with our line manager and if they need to take it higher then they can.

@ bolded

I think he probably removed them realising he might be in shitter with his managers (or his managers advised him to remove them and get back to work). I never said they were official comments but as seen in this thread, people will take them as representative of the company, regardless of official statements.




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superchunk on 18 May 2013
Mazty said:
superchunk said:
Mazty said:
superchunk said:

 


A software eng made a personal comment about the Wii U - is he not entitled to a personal opinion? His voice does not represent EA and you quite clearly don't understand how business works. 

 

Also: 

Yep, we've got plenty of problems, but WiiU isn't where that family/casual market is. It's on mobile/tablet now!

 

I've been saying that all along and clear EA agree. It's nothing personal but obviously a business decision. 

 

We're probably done here as we gonna have to simply leave it as we can't agree. However, I dont' see how you can view the entire path to where we are now, how the four games were made and delivered, how the repeated statems from various managers and this engineer at EA all attacking Nintendo and Wii U specifically ... and then still come to the conclusion that they are doing it solely for lack of sales. Even though during Wii many of their games, including big ones like Tiger Woods were the best sellers on Wii.



Torillian on 18 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
Seriously, all this EA hate and trolling gets a free pass but when someone decides to chip in on the situation he gets banned because he is negative towards Nintendo?

Dodece got banned for his continuous attempts to stir up the pot. All he wanted is rile up Nintendo fans, so it didn't bother him to run contradictory points of view. At one point he says that Nintendo fans deserve what they get, because EA has seen next to no software sales on the Wii U. The next time he portrays the situation as some sort of death blow to the Wii U, because losing EA support is going to have a major impact on the future of the console. He has been doing this all week and some of his posts were quite spiteful, so his intentions were more than obvious to anyone who has read his posts. If anyone has any doubts, they are free to look up Dodece's recent posting history.

The EA hate and trolling gets a pass, because moderators don't treat third party publishers the same way as console manufacturers. Additionally, EA is a company that upsets fans of all gaming platforms on quite a regular basis, so we would see a lot of bans due to the many dismissive one-liners these threads usually cause. And if that happened, people would wonder why the moderators ban people for being angry at EA for their latest anti-consumer practices when that anger is usually justified as EA first screws over gamers and then pretends that they didn't screw over gamers, basically adding insult to injury.

Besides, would you take EA's side, if they decided to screw over a PlayStation platform or would you take the side of gamers? I think we both know that it would be the latter, if you had to make a pick. So don't call for moderations of other users just because they happen to be Nintendo fans. It won't do the forums any favor.

Rol's views reflect my decisionmaking on this in a nutshell.

I disagree, if beligerance in your opinion and having minor inconsistencies in your logic (actually I don't see the idea that Nintendo fans didn't buy EA games and EA's absence being a deathnell as necessarily unworkable together) are enough for moderation then I'd have to moderate you in some of these EA threads.  



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Scoobes on 18 May 2013
superchunk said:
Mazty said:


A software eng made a personal comment about the Wii U - is he not entitled to a personal opinion? His voice does not represent EA and you quite clearly don't understand how business works. 

 

Also: 

Yep, we've got plenty of problems, but WiiU isn't where that family/casual market is. It's on mobile/tablet now!

 

I've been saying that all along and clear EA agree. It's nothing personal but obviously a business decision. 

 

We're probably done here as we gonna have to simply leave it as we can't agree. However, I dont' see how you can view the entire path to where we are now, how the four games were made and delivered, how the repeated statems from various managers and this engineer at EA all attacking Nintendo and Wii U specifically ... and then still come to the conclusion that they are doing it solely for lack of sales. Even though during Wii many of their games, including big ones like Tiger Woods were the best sellers on Wii.

Isn't this more about the WiiU though? Sales of their WiiU games have been less than spectacular, WiiU sales are incredibly slow and EA in are in a bad way (recently released 10% of their workforce, financially not great). Business-wise they can't afford to invest in WiiU development until sales pick up.




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chocoloco on 18 May 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:

 

Well here is no surprise.

Current EA games sold terribly on the WiiU, and big publishers need big sales to cover their investment, thus the WiiU would have been a noose around the neck for any big publisher.

The question is how many publishers will follow suit, and where does that leave the WiiU? My bet - all will follow and the WiiU will sink like a stone as Nintendo exlcusives sell well to owners, but don't make people buy the console.

 

 

 

EA is just the biggest one to d so they get the most heat. Many smaller publishers already have. Ubisoft's games have gone horribly on Wii U so that is hard to say. So has Batman: Arkham City from Waner Brothers. Activision makes so much bank I see them as the least likely to drop support of all those mentioned even if the Wii U version of Cod is by far the lowest of any platform



Mr Khan on 18 May 2013
Torillian said:
Mr Khan said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
Seriously, all this EA hate and trolling gets a free pass but when someone decides to chip in on the situation he gets banned because he is negative towards Nintendo?

Dodece got banned for his continuous attempts to stir up the pot. All he wanted is rile up Nintendo fans, so it didn't bother him to run contradictory points of view. At one point he says that Nintendo fans deserve what they get, because EA has seen next to no software sales on the Wii U. The next time he portrays the situation as some sort of death blow to the Wii U, because losing EA support is going to have a major impact on the future of the console. He has been doing this all week and some of his posts were quite spiteful, so his intentions were more than obvious to anyone who has read his posts. If anyone has any doubts, they are free to look up Dodece's recent posting history.

The EA hate and trolling gets a pass, because moderators don't treat third party publishers the same way as console manufacturers. Additionally, EA is a company that upsets fans of all gaming platforms on quite a regular basis, so we would see a lot of bans due to the many dismissive one-liners these threads usually cause. And if that happened, people would wonder why the moderators ban people for being angry at EA for their latest anti-consumer practices when that anger is usually justified as EA first screws over gamers and then pretends that they didn't screw over gamers, basically adding insult to injury.

Besides, would you take EA's side, if they decided to screw over a PlayStation platform or would you take the side of gamers? I think we both know that it would be the latter, if you had to make a pick. So don't call for moderations of other users just because they happen to be Nintendo fans. It won't do the forums any favor.

Rol's views reflect my decisionmaking on this in a nutshell.

I disagree, if beligerance in your opinion and having minor inconsistencies in your logic (actually I don't see the idea that Nintendo fans didn't buy EA games and EA's absence being a deathnell as necessarily unworkable together) are enough for moderation then I'd have to moderate you in some of these EA threads.  

Dodece was actively switching arguments, is what Rol means. He pursues first one angle, then the other.



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DieAppleDie on 18 May 2013

Dodece has been posting the very same anti-nintendo text wall for weeks now, he has basically dedicated all his time in the site going to Nintendoom threads and posting negativity over and over again, like if he had an agenda or something...

he almost can be acused of flaming, trolling and spamming at once lol



Mr Khan on 18 May 2013
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
Seriously, all this EA hate and trolling gets a free pass but when someone decides to chip in on the situation he gets banned because he is negative towards Nintendo?

Dodece got banned for his continuous attempts to stir up the pot. All he wanted is rile up Nintendo fans, so it didn't bother him to run contradictory points of view. At one point he says that Nintendo fans deserve what they get, because EA has seen next to no software sales on the Wii U. The next time he portrays the situation as some sort of death blow to the Wii U, because losing EA support is going to have a major impact on the future of the console. He has been doing this all week and some of his posts were quite spiteful, so his intentions were more than obvious to anyone who has read his posts. If anyone has any doubts, they are free to look up Dodece's recent posting history.

The EA hate and trolling gets a pass, because moderators don't treat third party publishers the same way as console manufacturers. Additionally, EA is a company that upsets fans of all gaming platforms on quite a regular basis, so we would see a lot of bans due to the many dismissive one-liners these threads usually cause. And if that happened, people would wonder why the moderators ban people for being angry at EA for their latest anti-consumer practices when that anger is usually justified as EA first screws over gamers and then pretends that they didn't screw over gamers, basically adding insult to injury.

Besides, would you take EA's side, if they decided to screw over a PlayStation platform or would you take the side of gamers? I think we both know that it would be the latter, if you had to make a pick. So don't call for moderations of other users just because they happen to be Nintendo fans. It won't do the forums any favor.

I haven't really been following Dodece's posts but I always thought he at least explained his views quite clearly without being all-too negative.

Well, third party publishers shouldn't be free to troll imo. It should be just fine to post negative things and opinions about them, but when it goes as far as calling them shit and all their games shit, or calling for their bankruptcy, shit should go down.

I'm not exactly calling for moderation here, I'm pointing out the inconsistency. I obviously would not take EA's side, but I would however not endorse blatant trolling that has nothing to do with the situation. Being a bit butthurt is okay, but please set some example by not doing what I said above. 

I'll admit that calling for bankruptcy was over the top. Gut reaction, as i admittedly don't like seeing them get nice things.



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Zero999 on 18 May 2013
pezus said:
Zero999 said:
pezus said:
Zero999 said:
Soundwave said:

Lets be honest Madden 25 and FIFA 14 and Need For Speed: Whatever, would've bombed on the Wii U anyway. Even things like Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3 are having a rough go of it and sports sims have never really be something associated with Nintendo.

no matter what you wish for, those games sold pretty well considering the install base and must have made profits. now picture the wii u with a bigger install base and those kind of games will sell hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of copys.

Maybe then EA will want to make something for WiiU. That is, however, irrelevant now because their games sold next to nothing on WiiU and WiiU's userbase is barely expanding 

I think EA titles sales on Wii U were directly proporcional to EA's effort towards them.

Which is not good for them, because they can have a much better ratio of effort vs. sales on the other consoles in addition to the higher sales. There really is no incentive...at all, for EA to be working on WiiU games when they can barely reach 100k. Having said that, I feel like they should've tried for one more year to see if things would improve (which I doubt - even with some effort).

EA deliberately sabotaged those games in order to have an excuse to stop the support. it isn't "no good for them", it's exactly what they wanted.