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One aspect that is interesting in the film is the role of masculinity and femininity. While the girl was two mothers, it is clear one ("play sports!") is the masculine figure and one that wishes to talk is the feminine one. Also, the notion that gay women would play sports and gay men would be in drama. So, I think it shows how hard wired certain gender roles are established that even when you "switch" things you have these conditioning factors at play.

The message is simple though, misunderstood minorities are ostracized from their communities and even their families. You can see all sorts of pocket communities of this where people are disassociated or bullied because they are some sort of "other". The argument of wishing for greater understanding to reduce ignorance and hate is a fine message.



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PullusPardus said:
Osc89 said:
PullusPardus said:
Osc89 said:
PullusPardus said:
I am sorry, but I don't see Gay marriage as a topic that everyone have to discuss, Marriage after all is so overplayed and pointless, if you love someone you can love them without marrying them, let me ask you something, whats the difference between a couple and  a married couple? , a ring and a name, they both can live together happy, they both can have sex, they both love each other, and they both want each other.


And a lot of legal rights and benefits.

but isn't "Love" supposed to be not about money and breeding and more about the love between the two? 

if not thats hypocricity. 


What about not being able to visit your partner in hospital? There are a lot of rights tied to marriage

Well thats a problem of the laws.

since when did they forbid you from visiting your girlfriend/boyfriend in hospital? 


Marriage is part of law, so if there is a problem with it you have to change it. And as for visitation it was banned in the USA until 2010, and is still banned in many countries.



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BasilZero said:
@Osc89

Or how about removing the benefits of unions (i.e. tax breaks or w/e) overall since it seems to be the REAL reason why people are arguing over the argument you are using.

Like I said, you can have civil unions from the state but churches shouldnt be forced to do something that their laws forbid them to support nor should you say they should change their laws in terms of matrimony between men and women because they refuse to do something you want them to do.

You say marriage is older than the christianity version? Then why force Churches to do those weddings? Why go through all the aspects then? Why not do it like the first union however that was like. (Apologize if they are the same - though I think they arent)

(Doesnt affect me because Indian weddings are different from western weddings at least the type of indian wedding my culture goes by - (i.e the verses they use at the end, more aspects than western weddings etc)

Note - I use the word "Aspect" cause I cant think of a word to describe for use for each event/step in a wedding lol.

The Church can have whatever laws they want, but they shouldn't be for everyone else (i.e actual laws). The Church shouldn't be allowed to define what marriage is. And they have been forced to change before, with interracial and underage marriage. Was that wrong?

I am not saying that marriage has to be the same as the first ones, I am pointing out that the definition of marriage has changed over time and is also independent of religion.

(This image isn't directed at you or anyone here, but sums up how attitudes change over time)

Edit: Here is some info on the hospital visitation

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/hospital.gay.visitation/index.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/presidential-memorandum-hospital-visitation



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BasilZero said:
@Osc89 - wat

I dont remember hospital visitation being banned in the US ever >_>.

There's a limitation of one person and it has nothing to do with marriage/unions but for the health reasons. The same reason why hospitals dont allow food from outside sources other than the hospital themselves for people in ICUs.

Parents who don't approve of their son's homosexuality can prevent their son's boyfriend from visiting him. Also, you didn't respond to my point about nobody wanting to force the church to do anything.



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Osc89 said:
PullusPardus said:
Osc89 said:
PullusPardus said:
Osc89 said:
PullusPardus said:
I am sorry, but I don't see Gay marriage as a topic that everyone have to discuss, Marriage after all is so overplayed and pointless, if you love someone you can love them without marrying them, let me ask you something, whats the difference between a couple and  a married couple? , a ring and a name, they both can live together happy, they both can have sex, they both love each other, and they both want each other.


And a lot of legal rights and benefits.

but isn't "Love" supposed to be not about money and breeding and more about the love between the two? 

if not thats hypocricity. 


What about not being able to visit your partner in hospital? There are a lot of rights tied to marriage

Well thats a problem of the laws.

since when did they forbid you from visiting your girlfriend/boyfriend in hospital? 


Marriage is part of law, so if there is a problem with it you have to change it. And as for visitation it was banned in the USA until 2010, and is still banned in many countries.


So you're telling me if my friend had an accident , I cannot visit him/her unless I am married to him/her? , I find that hard to believe.



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PullusPardus said:
Osc89 said:
Marriage is part of law, so if there is a problem with it you have to change it. And as for visitation it was banned in the USA until 2010, and is still banned in many countries.

So you're telling me if my friend had an accident , I cannot visit him/her unless I am married to him/her? , I find that hard to believe.

I added some links above. There are relatives only laws when it comes to hospital visitation, so it would be up to the family of your friend.



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PullusPardus said:

People think you're an asshole just by saying you are straight.

People stop talking to you because you dont have any "Pride"

People (and especially girls) start to hate you because they think you're closed minded for feeling uneasy around gay/bisexual persons

Being straight automatically means you're a douchebag, who likes to see women as sex objects, You cannot have an honest relationship without  people thinking you are cheating/being typical straight male that is a douchebag

Your girl will always think you are being unloyal unless you are bisexual, because bisexuals automatically are more "honest" 

If you have issues people will ignore because "You don't know how it feels"

If you actually want a stable relationship with one person people will doubt you, because thats totally not what straight people dp, and you end up very lonely since there isn't any person who will give a damn.

If you are straight no one will give a damn, if you are bisexual everyone wants to date you, if you are gay everyone gives you extra attention, if you are a transexual they treat you like a baby and give you compelete freedom. 

If you are straight it automatically means you're one of those annoying "God hates Homos" people , while in reality you don't hate anyone, and would just want to live a happy life, but people will think that way, because "you don't know how it feels"

 

I can go on and on, I am sorry, but I honestly hate how pretentious and annoying the "Support homos!" and "Women are superior! (femenism)" thing, when the media focuses too much on that and less about actual REAL Problems

These things happened to you?  If so, that is terrible and no one should be bullied in that matter.

Maybe it is because of where I grew up, but none of those things ever happened to me.  I knew gay people who were ashamed and bullied, and how the general society tolerated this treatment. No one has ever questioned my heterosexuality or how it relates to my character in any regard. It would be like drawing reference form the fact I am a south paw.

I would be curious on bullying how many cases of suicide a year in the US are of children bullied because they are heterosexual and if they are homosexual.  Keep in mind homosexuals tend to account for 5% of the population so I'd factor that in as well. I think (and correct me if I am wrong) we can agree that bullying children to point of suicide for what ever reason is an issue worth looking at.



BasilZero said:
@Truck - sorry I didnt see your post ;p - also didnt know they could do that ;o.

I was quoting Osc but I accidentally closed the box lol.

I cant quote properly on this computer (plus I was mixed up with some school work - at school not home).

Anyways on your point - I'm just going by what I've seen here (where I live) that the state is pushing churches to enforce homosexual marriages when the church laws are against it.

except there are two things called right and wrong. churches are wrong in everything they do now, so they should be forced to do the right things.



I don't subscribe to either of those labels anyway.



 

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BasilZero said:
Zero999 said:
BasilZero said:
@Truck - sorry I didnt see your post ;p - also didnt know they could do that ;o.

I was quoting Osc but I accidentally closed the box lol.

I cant quote properly on this computer (plus I was mixed up with some school work - at school not home).

Anyways on your point - I'm just going by what I've seen here (where I live) that the state is pushing churches to enforce homosexual marriages when the church laws are against it.

except there are two things called right and wrong. churches are wrong in everything they do now, so they should be forced to do the right things.

Can you please give me examples of what the churches are doing wrong (other than the priests being accused/condemned for being pedophiles which seem to be consistant around catholicism and western religion).

homophobia, believing in god, taking money from the ignorant, turning people into ignorants, those kind of things.