But your arguments in defence are nothing more than speculation, no more solid than the comments about the wiiu that got your panties in a twist in the first place, and by twisting the agenda away from giving solid, factual reasons why people shouldn't be pessimistic, you simply resorted to being pessimistic about the vita and telling us we shouldnt compare the two, without really giving a solid reason for why we shouldnt, or why the vita is "more doomed" and the wiiu?

Do you actually know what hypocrit means?

I am pessimistic about the Wii U. I was pessimistic about the Wii also.

The Wii "craze" blew my pessimism away but only to realize that I was right to be pessimistic in the first place. All the great sales did not provide the console with the great games everyone wanted. The Wii never became the console all developers want to invest in. Even Nintendo at the end pretty much let it die. Sure it produced great games but were very few.

Now the Wii U...I am pessimistic that Nintendo did an about face with the motion controls. They invested greatly in a tablet feature and not in "console power" and at the same time claiming a move to get the "hardcore" gamers back.

I just don't know what is going on. Wii Sports was a perfect demo for the motion controls. But Nintendoland is a horrible demo of the tablet in that in has a casual presentation but hardcore game mechanics. In other words a casual player will not be able to enjoy it unless a hardcore gamer shows the casual how to play.

It is. It goes as far as people saying that software wont help! Its delusional hate.

Thing is, once the price drops and the games hit, the console will sell like hot cakes to the regular families that buy Nintendo consoles. Hardware systems dont have their fate written in the first 4 months.

You are certainly the one who is hypocrit here. Saying the WiiU has a lot of killer apps announced while the Vita has none is a fact. Take the list of already announced games, see how the previous installement sold and the only way to not see the difference is to act as an hypocrit. The fact that the Vita has a disadvantage in terms of installed base is also a fact and the point that it can only lead to less and less support is pure logic and proven by everything that has always happened on this market.

Saying that the WiiU will also be for most of its life time in direct competition with PS4/720 rather than PS3/360 is also something you can't deny and the reason why while the first comparison makes sense, the second doesn't.

They don't in the first two years either, who would have predicted in the first two years of the PS3 that it would make such a comeback?

That is indeed a good example. The difference here is the name in the box changes peoples atitudes. It's dumb.

You make no sense what so ever, i compared the sales (both poor) i addressed your claim that the vita has no killer games coming to it, providing you with actual names of games, and you *STILL* insist that the WiiU is magically on a higher tier and thus can't possibly be subject to the same doom and gloom.

"The fact that the Vita has a disadvatage in terms of installed base is also a fact and the point that it can only lead to less and less support is pure logic and proven by everything that has always happen on this market."

Do you not, even for a second, understand that this very argument easilly extends to the platform you're defending? the main difference being you actually like the WiiU thus refuse to accept this simple truth?

"Saying that the WiiU will also be for most of its life in time in direct competition with PS4/720 rather than PS3/360 is also something you can deny"

Right now it's in direct competition with the PS3 and 360, just as i clearly stated, as it's matched more or less equally with them and will be receiving the same titles as them as far as multi platform goes, comparing the WiiU to PS4/720 isn't realistic - that isn't to say the Nintendo "isn't next gen", of course, just that the jump when these consoles release leave the WiiU in competition with the PS3 and 360 which will continue to have legs, so in essence, the WiiU will be in direct competition with the PS3, PS4, 360 and Durango all at once.

So i'm interested, i'm giving clear and concise reasons for why BOTH consoles should be given the benefit of the doubt and not doom and gloomed, so tell me, how exactly am i being a hypocrit?, because you claiming i am only further suggests to me you don't understand what it means.

The PS3 did'nt make a comeback it just benefited from the fact most publishers invested in it based on their assumation it will be the main console in the next generation and from the fact ports from 360 games made a lot of sense in order to pay the increasing development costs. Still Sony lose a lot of exclusivities during this gen in favor of MS who launched its console first.

Wrong again, media and the general publics opinion of the PlayStation brand when the PlayStation 3 launched were at an all time low, Developers gave it shoddy support and poor ports, it's only through continual support and hard work that they clawed back customers and turned the table on what was otherwise one of the poorest home console launches in the past two decades, porting from 360 to PS3 did not initially, until the toolchains matured, make financial sense as porting from a multi core PPC processor with dedicated GPU to the IBM Cell was costly and required a lot of hard work - through tireless SDK updates and lots of first and second party support adding to this toolchain eventually the industry overcome it.

Really though, you're just grasping at straws because your whole argument is hypocritical, if you want to call me hypocritical do me and everyone on these forums a favor and look it up in a dictionary.

PS3 and 360 will have some legs for a time yes, probably one or two years and will continue to compete not only with WiiU but also PS4 and 720. When they won't have any legs anymore then WiiU will be against PS4 and 720 and that's when publishers will decide which ones to support or not and this decision will be based a lot on their respective installed base.