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Mazty on 17 March 2013
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
__XBrawlX__ said:

I've been reading a lot of comments lately concerning who will come out on top once the 8th gen is over with, and there seems to be a general sense that most people think that Ninetndo is done for.

Why do you think this? The console's sales are drastically low right now, but this is Nintendo. A pokemon game? Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros!? When these titles and others like them begin to launch, does anyone believe the sales will remain at the level that they are at? For those of you counting out Nintendo from 1st, or even 2nd place for next gen, maybe you should step back, take a breath, and relax. Who would've thought that the Playstation wouldve destroyed the N64 like it did, or that the PS3 would recover from its situation in 06-08.

The generation is barely started, so before you count Nintendo out, remember that the PS4 and 720 are not even launched yet. Anything can happen. Have an open mind.

^_^ Don't be so garsh dang negative :P Especially when we have 6+ years left to this race!!!


(I realize telling the Forums not to be negative is like telling a toddler that they can't have a toy, but it feels like this needs to be said... At least for the rational among us!)

Let's just point out a few issues with your post:


1)The wii was an "in" item. A lot of sales of the wii were to casuals, and casuals do not look to upgrade until the next "in" item arrives. Right now, said items are smartphones and tablets.
2)The PS had a much better library of games than the N64, ranging from the likes of GTA to FF. This is a common story for core consoles - the console with the best library wins. 
3)The PS3 has the advantage of bluray and has actually almost always sold more week-on-week compared to the 360. It was always just a matter of time.
4)The issue is the Wii U has yet to demonstrate itself as next-gen; it's currently kicking out similar quality titles to much cheaper, established consoles. 

I really doubt the Wii U will manage to sell more then 24 million. In an era of multiplatform core games, the Wii U isn't offering any of that to a degree that beats the 360 or PS3.

You obviously thoroughly read the OP, but totally missed the point.

Tu quoque fallacy - care to actually give a proper response?



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hsrob on 17 March 2013
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
__XBrawlX__ said:

I've been reading a lot of comments lately concerning who will come out on top once the 8th gen is over with, and there seems to be a general sense that most people think that Ninetndo is done for.

Why do you think this? The console's sales are drastically low right now, but this is Nintendo. A pokemon game? Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros!? When these titles and others like them begin to launch, does anyone believe the sales will remain at the level that they are at? For those of you counting out Nintendo from 1st, or even 2nd place for next gen, maybe you should step back, take a breath, and relax. Who would've thought that the Playstation wouldve destroyed the N64 like it did, or that the PS3 would recover from its situation in 06-08.

The generation is barely started, so before you count Nintendo out, remember that the PS4 and 720 are not even launched yet. Anything can happen. Have an open mind.

^_^ Don't be so garsh dang negative :P Especially when we have 6+ years left to this race!!!


(I realize telling the Forums not to be negative is like telling a toddler that they can't have a toy, but it feels like this needs to be said... At least for the rational among us!)

Let's just point out a few issues with your post:


1)The wii was an "in" item. A lot of sales of the wii were to casuals, and casuals do not look to upgrade until the next "in" item arrives. Right now, said items are smartphones and tablets.
2)The PS had a much better library of games than the N64, ranging from the likes of GTA to FF. This is a common story for core consoles - the console with the best library wins. 
3)The PS3 has the advantage of bluray and has actually almost always sold more week-on-week compared to the 360. It was always just a matter of time.
4)The issue is the Wii U has yet to demonstrate itself as next-gen; it's currently kicking out similar quality titles to much cheaper, established consoles. 

I really doubt the Wii U will manage to sell more then 24 million. In an era of multiplatform core games, the Wii U isn't offering any of that to a degree that beats the 360 or PS3.

You obviously thoroughly read the OP, but totally missed the point.

Tu quoque fallacy - care to actually give a proper response?

I don't think this means what you think it means and no, because if I believe you've missed the point, responding to you at any length would be doubly pointless.



pokoko on 17 March 2013

I wouldn't count anyone out right now. The Wii U can still recover, though I don't think it will ever get near the Wii's sale-through rate. It's sold a pitiful amount, and I think Nintendo has made a lot of questionable moves, but it's basically going to be an even race when the other next gen consoles release. Nintendo has a chance to turn things around with software and a big holiday season. It's all on them to deliver.



Mazty on 17 March 2013
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
__XBrawlX__ said:

I've been reading a lot of comments lately concerning who will come out on top once the 8th gen is over with, and there seems to be a general sense that most people think that Ninetndo is done for.

Why do you think this? The console's sales are drastically low right now, but this is Nintendo. A pokemon game? Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros!? When these titles and others like them begin to launch, does anyone believe the sales will remain at the level that they are at? For those of you counting out Nintendo from 1st, or even 2nd place for next gen, maybe you should step back, take a breath, and relax. Who would've thought that the Playstation wouldve destroyed the N64 like it did, or that the PS3 would recover from its situation in 06-08.

The generation is barely started, so before you count Nintendo out, remember that the PS4 and 720 are not even launched yet. Anything can happen. Have an open mind.

^_^ Don't be so garsh dang negative :P Especially when we have 6+ years left to this race!!!


(I realize telling the Forums not to be negative is like telling a toddler that they can't have a toy, but it feels like this needs to be said... At least for the rational among us!)

Let's just point out a few issues with your post:


1)The wii was an "in" item. A lot of sales of the wii were to casuals, and casuals do not look to upgrade until the next "in" item arrives. Right now, said items are smartphones and tablets.
2)The PS had a much better library of games than the N64, ranging from the likes of GTA to FF. This is a common story for core consoles - the console with the best library wins. 
3)The PS3 has the advantage of bluray and has actually almost always sold more week-on-week compared to the 360. It was always just a matter of time.
4)The issue is the Wii U has yet to demonstrate itself as next-gen; it's currently kicking out similar quality titles to much cheaper, established consoles. 

I really doubt the Wii U will manage to sell more then 24 million. In an era of multiplatform core games, the Wii U isn't offering any of that to a degree that beats the 360 or PS3.

You obviously thoroughly read the OP, but totally missed the point.

Tu quoque fallacy - care to actually give a proper response?

I don't think this means what you think it means and no, because if I believe you've missed the point, responding to you at any length would be doubly pointless.

My bad, it's just an ad hominem fallacy - instead of addressing the point, you just attack the commenter instead. And you've done it again. Good job. Now either address the point I originally made maturely and logically or don't bother replying. 



curl-6 on 17 March 2013

Nintendo's management of the Wii U from its announcement to the present has been a trainwreck nearly as bungled and miscalculated as Sony's handling of the PS3's early years, But the PS3 survived, and so can Wii U.

If Nintendo pull their finger out and get some actual games out there, it will do fine.

Core gamers won't spend $350 just for Mario Bros U and a bunch of 360 ports, and casuals won't spend $350 on any console.

The core will buy it once it becomes the box that plays Smash Bros, 3D Mario, HD Zelda, and the rest, and casuals will buy it once it drops in price and has Mario Kart.



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RedInker on 17 March 2013

Wii U will pick up. Its been a slow launch for sure but the games are coming soon and the sales will rise.



hsrob on 17 March 2013
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:
__XBrawlX__ said:

I've been reading a lot of comments lately concerning who will come out on top once the 8th gen is over with, and there seems to be a general sense that most people think that Ninetndo is done for.

Why do you think this? The console's sales are drastically low right now, but this is Nintendo. A pokemon game? Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros!? When these titles and others like them begin to launch, does anyone believe the sales will remain at the level that they are at? For those of you counting out Nintendo from 1st, or even 2nd place for next gen, maybe you should step back, take a breath, and relax. Who would've thought that the Playstation wouldve destroyed the N64 like it did, or that the PS3 would recover from its situation in 06-08.

The generation is barely started, so before you count Nintendo out, remember that the PS4 and 720 are not even launched yet. Anything can happen. Have an open mind.

^_^ Don't be so garsh dang negative :P Especially when we have 6+ years left to this race!!!


(I realize telling the Forums not to be negative is like telling a toddler that they can't have a toy, but it feels like this needs to be said... At least for the rational among us!)

Let's just point out a few issues with your post:


1)The wii was an "in" item. A lot of sales of the wii were to casuals, and casuals do not look to upgrade until the next "in" item arrives. Right now, said items are smartphones and tablets.
2)The PS had a much better library of games than the N64, ranging from the likes of GTA to FF. This is a common story for core consoles - the console with the best library wins. 
3)The PS3 has the advantage of bluray and has actually almost always sold more week-on-week compared to the 360. It was always just a matter of time.
4)The issue is the Wii U has yet to demonstrate itself as next-gen; it's currently kicking out similar quality titles to much cheaper, established consoles. 

I really doubt the Wii U will manage to sell more then 24 million. In an era of multiplatform core games, the Wii U isn't offering any of that to a degree that beats the 360 or PS3.

You obviously thoroughly read the OP, but totally missed the point.

Tu quoque fallacy - care to actually give a proper response?

I don't think this means what you think it means and no, because if I believe you've missed the point, responding to you at any length would be doubly pointless.

My bad, it's just an ad hominem fallacy - instead of addressing the point, you just attack the commenter instead. And you've done it again. Good job. Now either address the point I originally made maturely and logically or don't bother replying. 

My post was not an ad hominem attack either, I simply suggested that your response missed the point and in fact by responding to you I could be guilty of going off topic. Again, my problem is your post, not you.

I would honestly ask that you read the OP again to see if you still think your post was a reasonable response.  The OP is not asking you to prove that the Wii U can't sell as he's not presenting his points  as proof that it will.

He is merely stating that he believes it is too early to make a final judgement on the system's sales prospects and appealing to people who feel the need to be constantly negative in the forums.  A sentiment with which I could not agree more.



ShinMitsugi on 17 March 2013

Yea I'm sure people will be jumping at the chance to buy a console that is 5 years out of date when the new systems release this Holiday season.  



Kawaiix33 on 17 March 2013

Give it some times like other else mentioned and i think sales will began to rise rapidly.

There are so many upcoming good Wii U exclusive to look through :
1) The Legend Of Zelda Wii U
2) Bayonetta 2
3) Mario Kart Wii U
4) The Wonderful 101
5) Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
6) Xenoblade Chronicles 2
7) Super Smash Bros Wii U
8) New Super Mario Bros U

Wii U won't die quickly,just need time until these games are released. It might not be a very big successor like the Wii but it can do very well.



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Mazty on 17 March 2013
hsrob said:
Mazty said:

My bad, it's just an ad hominem fallacy - instead of addressing the point, you just attack the commenter instead. And you've done it again. Good job. Now either address the point I originally made maturely and logically or don't bother replying. 

My post was not an ad hominem attack either, I simply suggested that your response missed the point and in fact by responding to you I could be guilty of going off topic. Again, my problem is your post, not you.

I would honestly ask that you read the OP again to see if you still think your post was a reasonable response.  The OP is not asking you to prove that the Wii U can't sell as he's not presenting his points  as proof that it will.

He is merely stating that he believes it is too early to make a final judgement on the system's sales prospects and appealing to people who feel the need to be constantly negative in the forums.  A sentiment with which I could not agree more.

Yes it was as you didn't address my points & even stated that "responding to you at any length would be doubly pointless."
That's an ad hominem. If you are going to disagree, at least bother to say why you disagree rather than declaring that you're right. By not giving any reason why you are right and yet declaring the other one wrong, you are not engaing with the argument but the poster instead.

And my post was highlighting the errors that the OP had made. Saying it is too early to make a final judgement is true, but claiming it is too early because the moon is made out of cheese is bullshit; I was just cleaning out the bs, nothing more, nothing less.