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Wii U will make a comeback 152 42.70%
 
Wii U to grow bigger than the Wii 29 8.15%
 
Wii U izz Dooomed 175 49.16%
 
Total:356

And on the topic itself.
'Sony/Microsoft Could Make Nintendo Very Uncomfortable This Holiday'.
Yes, they can. But the reverse is also the truth:
'Nintendo Could Make Sony/Microsoft Very Uncomfortable This Holiday'.
So we'll see in 1 year time who of the big 3 will be in the 'uncomfortable' position... Will it be threesome with one dominating participant or two partners will dominate third - is still a big question... )))



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Sharu said:
DanneSandin said:
 

I think Sony is counting on subscriptions and SW sales to off set the costs of the consoles... At a $349 price point the PS4 would be extremely competitive; they got some really good 1st party games (but they ain't got nothing on Nintendo in that aspect), but they'd also enjoy all 3rd party multiplats - something Wii U probably won't. Buy 3 games for the PS4 will make it profitable/break even.

Did you heard that game development has its own costs? So to offset 150$ losses Sony will need to sell not 3 but i think around 10 games for each console sold... Are you seriosely expect do get such an attach rate in 3 months after PS4 launch?

And also on the 3rd party multiplats. I'm not bothering on the 2013-14  year multi - most of it will be on a WiiU (except for some stupid desisions from EA like on their sports games). Later WiiU may lose multi plats, but not in the first wave of 'nextgen' games...

Well, that would also mean that Wii U isn't profitable after just one game purchased...? Still, selling the PS4 for a $100 loss isn't as bad as selling it at a $200 like they did with PS3. But I totally agree that if this plan doesn't pan out for Sony, theyre pretty much screwed...

We've just seen Watch Dog being confirmed for Wii U as well as PS4, so I agree with you that we will see quite a few multiplats in 2013-2014, but that'll soon dry up though, and in the process huting the Wii U sales..



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Nintendo is really in a frustrating position. They had a year to do as they pleased, and they did NOTHING.

It really makes me wonder why? The Wii was completely abandoned during the end of it's life cycle, this was terrible, but we all assumed that Nintendo Studios were working on Wii U titles. Yet right at the start of it's lifecycle, we see a huge drought that makes the 3DS drought look good. What the hell have you guys been doing for the past 2-3 years?

I am a Nintendo fan, but I hope Wii U gets dominated. They need a scolding for the heinous job they have done these past couple of years.




DanneSandin said:

But if it were to happen I see Nintendo in deep shit...


There is no way on God's Green Earth that Sony will release the PS3 for ANYTHING less than $400, and it will most LIKELY be more than that, upwards of $500 for the "Deluxe" model, etc. You don't tout a top of the line set of hardware like they were bragging about, and release it for $350. It will not happen, and was never even a consideration.

 

However, JUST to humor the ridiculous idea of "What If", no,  I do not think that even in THAT case, would NIntendo be in "Deep Shit". Why? Because again, by Holidays 2013, Nintendo is going to have a much more robust library available, including most likely the next Mario Kart, and possibly even the new 3D Mario, as well as the HD remake of Wind Waker, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Lego City Stories, Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, etc. etc. as well as (HOPEFULLY) Dragon Quest X being out in NA by then.

Point being, even IF the PS4 were cheap, which it won't be, and even IF they do manage to live up to their "amazing launch lineup" mantra, Wii U will have plenty of titles of it's own that people are going to want. And given that the PS4 WON'T be less than $400, I think Wii U will be fine.

 

 

@Mensrea

 

No offense, but seriously? For one thing, no, the 3DS drought was worse than this, as I recall. Secondly, between their 1st party studios and other endeavors, there are plenty of games cooking, and plenty of "big" or notable titles in the works for Wii U as we speak.

For one thing, Retro Studios has been hard at work on something that they COULD have shown off at last year's E3 but chose to hold off, and it's been in the works for quite awhile now, so whatever it is possibly dropping this year isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Even if it doesn't, regardless of what it is, given their track record, you KNOW that whatever Retro is making will be worth it. For another, Monolith Soft is working on "X", which looks like a brilliant extension of what they already did with Xenoblade, combined with many new elements (online play, Mech battle mechanics, etc.). Then there's Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem, which while not a HUGE title, was a hugely unexpected one, and for rpg fans certainly will be a bit of a "must own". Good-Feel has "Yarn Yoshi" coming up, which given the fact that Wario Land and Kirby's Epic Yarn were both high quality titles, I'm confident Yoshi will be awesome as well. The "Zelda Team" obviously is providing us with both Wind Waker HD as WELL as the (probably launching next year) next 3D Zelda. The Mario Team is obviously hard at work on the next 3D Mario title, which given how mind blowing Mario Galaxy was when it came out, I'm sure this one will follow suit. Sakurai is hard at work on Smash Bros. 4, which again while it likely won't be out till 2014, that's still a hugely anticipated title. Their various other internal studios are working on things like Wii Fit U, Game & Wario, Mario Kart, and god knows what else. And keep in mind that they haven't exactly been sitting on their asses when Wii support dwindled, as they also have ramped up their 3DS support within the last year as well.

It's the same issue with the 3rd party titles as it is the 1st. The answer is: They're coming. And quite frankly, the impatient/entitled attitude that the internet gaming community seems to have sometimes is rather laughable, coming from someone who grew up in the internetless 80s. ;)



DevilRising said:
DanneSandin said:

But if it were to happen I see Nintendo in deep shit...


There is no way on God's Green Earth that Sony will release the PS3 for ANYTHING less than $400, and it will most LIKELY be more than that, upwards of $500 for the "Deluxe" model, etc. You don't tout a top of the line set of hardware like they were bragging about, and release it for $350. It will not happen, and was never even a consideration.

 

However, JUST to humor the ridiculous idea of "What If", no,  I do not think that even in THAT case, would NIntendo be in "Deep Shit". Why? Because again, by Holidays 2013, Nintendo is going to have a much more robust library available, including most likely the next Mario Kart, and possibly even the new 3D Mario, as well as the HD remake of Wind Waker, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Lego City Stories, Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, etc. etc. as well as (HOPEFULLY) Dragon Quest X being out in NA by then.

Point being, even IF the PS4 were cheap, which it won't be, and even IF they do manage to live up to their "amazing launch lineup" mantra, Wii U will have plenty of titles of it's own that people are going to want. And given that the PS4 WON'T be less than $400, I think Wii U will be fine.

I was talking in the long run... If the PS4 is launched with a $349 price tag it would be seriously competitive, and if you add all the 3rd party games it'll have that Wii U WON'T have... It becomes quite clear that Wii U will be another N64/GC for Nintendo (I'm guessing 40m units sold in total - or there about)



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Mensrea said:
Nintendo is really in a frustrating position. They had a year to do as they pleased, and they did NOTHING.

It really makes me wonder why? The Wii was completely abandoned during the end of it's life cycle, this was terrible, but we all assumed that Nintendo Studios were working on Wii U titles. Yet right at the start of it's lifecycle, we see a huge drought that makes the 3DS drought look good. What the hell have you guys been doing for the past 2-3 years?

I am a Nintendo fan, but I hope Wii U gets dominated. They need a scolding for the heinous job they have done these past couple of years.


They've been pretty focused with the 3DS over the past year or so, and you can't ignore the restructuring of the entire development team.

I think what they wanted to do was buy themselves a little time. The problem is they might have needed a couple months more.



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I reckon E3 will be the indication of how this generation will kick off. The Wii U hasn't kicked off the next generation with any manner of means....it's been a slow start for them. On thing that is for sure, is that 3rd party developers WILL make games for the Wii U in the short term, but when these studios are dedicating more and more time on PS360 versions and PS4/720 versions, will they have the man power and want to dedicate a team to a version for the Wii U? I doubt it. What we will see is a gradual decline of PS360 versions over the next 18 months with most time being dedicated to the proper Next Gen systems (PS4/720).

I have this horrible feeling that the Wii U will be a 2 year system and die a death once the proper next generation starts to pick up at the end of next year.

What Nintendo NEED to do is showcase a fantastic lineup of 1st party games at E3 along with a healthy selection of 3rd party titles to continue the interest through to the end of this year....but these titles need to come out this year before the Next Gen hit the shelves in November.



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

DanneSandin said:

I was talking in the long run... If the PS4 is launched with a $349 price tag it would be seriously competitive, and if you add all the 3rd party games it'll have that Wii U WON'T have... It becomes quite clear that Wii U will be another N64/GC for Nintendo (I'm guessing 40m units sold in total - or there about)


Even if that wound up being true, it's not like that would be a bad thing. They only sold 20 something million units of the Gamecube and still made profit that gen. 40 Million, while far short of the Wii's near-100 million benchmark, would still be a triumph for them. Bear in mind that I honestly don't think the PS4 or Nextbox will wind up selling as much as their predeccesors did either. It's just a sign of the times, the economy was much better in the early years of those systems than it is right now. 

And I'm not so sure Wii U will sell that "badly" anyway. Also, again, I don't think Wii U will be missing out on AS many multi-plat titles as it did with Wii. With Wii, the hardware was enough behind the PS360 that while it was still developers being lazy (considering they downported games to DS and PSP just fine), there was some wiggle room for justicfication. But with Wii U, while it would certainly be the "weakest" hardware-wise, it won't be the same gap, and with Wii U's GPU especially, it should stay competitive, and if Wii U is a cheaper console (and more inexpesnsive to develop on), I really don't see much holding it back from getting a lot more multi-plat titles this time round. Just saying.



DevilRising said:

And I'm not so sure Wii U will sell that "badly" anyway. Also, again, I don't think Wii U will be missing out on AS many multi-plat titles as it did with Wii. With Wii, the hardware was enough behind the PS360 that while it was still developers being lazy (considering they downported games to DS and PSP just fine), there was some wiggle room for justicfication. But with Wii U, while it would certainly be the "weakest" hardware-wise, it won't be the same gap, and with Wii U's GPU especially, it should stay competitive, and if Wii U is a cheaper console (and more inexpesnsive to develop on), I really don't see much holding it back from getting a lot more multi-plat titles this time round. Just saying.

The only problem is see (as i've mentioned in my post above) is that at the moment, 3rd party developers will have to make a choice who they will develop for.  They are currently developing for the PS3 and 360 as they have 70m+ each as an audience and have set aside studios to develop for the PS4 and 720 already.  This will be the case for the next 18-24 months IMHO....and not many studios would be able to dedicate time and effort to another version of their software for the Wii U.  You may see the EA's, Ubisofts etc managing to do this, but they will be less and less likely to do it, if the install base of the Wii U remains very low.  Remember they only have around a 2 million install base and this won't rocket up unless Nintendo get their own 1st party games out soon.



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

DevilRising said:
DanneSandin said:

I was talking in the long run... If the PS4 is launched with a $349 price tag it would be seriously competitive, and if you add all the 3rd party games it'll have that Wii U WON'T have... It becomes quite clear that Wii U will be another N64/GC for Nintendo (I'm guessing 40m units sold in total - or there about)


Even if that wound up being true, it's not like that would be a bad thing. They only sold 20 something million units of the Gamecube and still made profit that gen. 40 Million, while far short of the Wii's near-100 million benchmark, would still be a triumph for them. Bear in mind that I honestly don't think the PS4 or Nextbox will wind up selling as much as their predeccesors did either. It's just a sign of the times, the economy was much better in the early years of those systems than it is right now. 

And I'm not so sure Wii U will sell that "badly" anyway. Also, again, I don't think Wii U will be missing out on AS many multi-plat titles as it did with Wii. With Wii, the hardware was enough behind the PS360 that while it was still developers being lazy (considering they downported games to DS and PSP just fine), there was some wiggle room for justicfication. But with Wii U, while it would certainly be the "weakest" hardware-wise, it won't be the same gap, and with Wii U's GPU especially, it should stay competitive, and if Wii U is a cheaper console (and more inexpesnsive to develop on), I really don't see much holding it back from getting a lot more multi-plat titles this time round. Just saying.

The question is though, if the multiplats would be gimped, as were the case with the Wii... PS4 is quite the substantial leap over Wii U, and this has to effect porting games somewhat... I've heard that engines will be extremely scalable, so as long as it's worthwhile for devs to port games I think they will,since dev costs will rise this gen - but I guess it all depends on how much it'll cost to port and how much the games will sell...

While the GC did bring in some profits, Nintendo survived thanks due to their handhelds during the early 2000's. I think that it was Hiroshi (former president of Nintendo) that said that the DS would either take them to heaven or to hell (or something along those lines). This view really helps explain what a situation Nintendo was in back then. But then again, they had just left the N64 behind them - which didn't sell like hot cakes either. So the question is if the handheld market will be able to sustain them in the future as well...



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