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Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.



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Holy crap.  If Rockstar and EA are really spending this much money on these games they deserve to go out of business.  The Avengers was a huge blockbuster that was a gauranteed success.  That was why they could afford to spend that much money making it.

Both franchises above are not first tier.  I suppose you could call them second tier at best.  Spending that much money on these games is insane.  It would be like spending $200 million dollars to make a romantic comedy and expecting to make money.  



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leatherhat said:

Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.

EA Labels president Frank Gibeau explains, “In general we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space. Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.

EDIT: To be fair to EA, they don't get all of that $60 from a retail sale.  The game needs to produce that much gross revenue.  I can't remember the figure off the top of my head what the publisher ends up getting.



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theRepublic said:
leatherhat said:

Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.

EA Labels president Frank Gibeau explains, “In general we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space. Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.

Doesn't seem like they need five million, just that EA is a greedy company that will only continue massive hit IPs. Perpetually chasing the next call of duty. 



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The best way to stop second hand games is to sell new games cheaper, and reward the costumer for buying new games, and not punishing the one that buys used games (online pass).

The ones that buy the games new should register their games with the company and after doing they get all the DLC planed for Free.  If you bought it used you wont be able to register it because it was registered by the first user, so you would need to buy the DLC.   That is what I would do If I own a videogame company.



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spaceguy said:
CharmedontheWB said:
This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.

Infrastructer has always been massive jobs programs and also moves products quicker to their destination. Time is money and the faster it gets there, the faster transactions happen, the more money is made. Plus the people doing the work make good money, then go out and spend that extra money. Goverment is a jobs program in a sense. With out a goverment you have no market. They decide the rules and what you make, the acceptable treatment and the works. So don't go telling me about politics.

 The software company can make their own rules with their own products. I hate when people use the capitalism comment. you don't even know what  real capitalist is do you? It's a person who lives off investments. If the goverment don't put in rules I can come take all there money and if there is no rules, whos going to stop me. The free market is a two word sound bite made for dumb people. C'mon. There is no such thing. Free market would mean no rules. Meaning I just take your money. Now before you come on a rant about capitalism, learn some sh-t first.

You do not know anything about me so before you choose to point your finger and name someone as stupid perhaps you should first look into the mirror.  Clearly you do not understand the concept of capitalism which the dictionary definition is as follows: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production, with the creation of goods and services for profit. Elements central to capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, and a price system.  The used game market is a compeitive market--not a market disruptor as you would like people to believe.  You can have whatever opinion you want but that is all it is so stop trying to spout it as factual evidence. 



I don't buy video games at Gamestop and I haven't for years. However, it has nothing to do with the fact they sell used game. And honestly, I don't think used games are hurting the industry. I also haven't sold many games back, only a few that I didn't really like. But since I bought them, they are mine to do with what I wish and if I want to sell them back for money, to buy new or used games, I have every right to.

I've bought a lot of my games new, but also a lot used, especially the ones that you can no longer purchase brand new any longer. And I honestly think you (the topic creator) are being quite insulting and rude towards those of us who buy used games. I buy used games because sometimes I can't afford to pay the price they are selling for brand new, or like I said before, some of the games I want are no longer being sold used. But just because a person can't afford to buy every single game they want brand new does not they shouldn't be gamers.

People have the right to buy used games. It's not hurting the industry.



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CharmedontheWB said:
spaceguy said:
CharmedontheWB said:
This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.

Infrastructer has always been massive jobs programs and also moves products quicker to their destination. Time is money and the faster it gets there, the faster transactions happen, the more money is made. Plus the people doing the work make good money, then go out and spend that extra money. Goverment is a jobs program in a sense. With out a goverment you have no market. They decide the rules and what you make, the acceptable treatment and the works. So don't go telling me about politics.

 The software company can make their own rules with their own products. I hate when people use the capitalism comment. you don't even know what  real capitalist is do you? It's a person who lives off investments. If the goverment don't put in rules I can come take all there money and if there is no rules, whos going to stop me. The free market is a two word sound bite made for dumb people. C'mon. There is no such thing. Free market would mean no rules. Meaning I just take your money. Now before you come on a rant about capitalism, learn some sh-t first.

You do not know anything about me so before you choose to point your finger and name someone as stupid perhaps you should first look into the mirror.  Clearly you do not understand the concept of capitalism which the dictionary definition is as follows: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production, with the creation of goods and services for profit. Elements central to capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, and a price system.  The used game market is a compeitive market--not a market disruptor as you would like people to believe.  You can have whatever opinion you want but that is all it is so stop trying to spout it as factual evidence. 

He said capitalist, not capitalism. So maybe you need to take that look in the mirror buddy. nice  example but that is not what he said at all. Your just broke and can't even afford the code idea he had. Whats that a extra 10-15$ out of your pocket or gamestops if you do sell it . I got his point, why couldn't you? 

Definition of CAPITALIST

1
: a person who has capital especially invested in business; broadly: a person of wealth : plutocrat
2
: a person who favors capitalism


bannedagain said:
CharmedontheWB said:
spaceguy said:
CharmedontheWB said:
This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.

Infrastructer has always been massive jobs programs and also moves products quicker to their destination. Time is money and the faster it gets there, the faster transactions happen, the more money is made. Plus the people doing the work make good money, then go out and spend that extra money. Goverment is a jobs program in a sense. With out a goverment you have no market. They decide the rules and what you make, the acceptable treatment and the works. So don't go telling me about politics.

 The software company can make their own rules with their own products. I hate when people use the capitalism comment. you don't even know what  real capitalist is do you? It's a person who lives off investments. If the goverment don't put in rules I can come take all there money and if there is no rules, whos going to stop me. The free market is a two word sound bite made for dumb people. C'mon. There is no such thing. Free market would mean no rules. Meaning I just take your money. Now before you come on a rant about capitalism, learn some sh-t first.

You do not know anything about me so before you choose to point your finger and name someone as stupid perhaps you should first look into the mirror.  Clearly you do not understand the concept of capitalism which the dictionary definition is as follows: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production, with the creation of goods and services for profit. Elements central to capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, and a price system.  The used game market is a compeitive market--not a market disruptor as you would like people to believe.  You can have whatever opinion you want but that is all it is so stop trying to spout it as factual evidence. 

He said capitalist, not capitalism. So maybe you need to take that look in the mirror buddy. nice  example but that is not what he said at all. Your just broke and can't even afford the code idea he had. Whats that a extra 10-15$ out of your pocket or gamestops if you do sell it . I got his point, why couldn't you? 

Definition of CAPITALIST

1
: a person who has capital especially invested in business; broadly: a person of wealth : plutocrat
2
: a person who favors capitalism


The two of you both need to read because I was talking about capitalism not capitalists.  As for your comment, I only game on the PC and none of my games are used.  Thanks!



CharmedontheWB said:
bannedagain said:
CharmedontheWB said:
spaceguy said:
CharmedontheWB said:
This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.

Infrastructer has always been massive jobs programs and also moves products quicker to their destination. Time is money and the faster it gets there, the faster transactions happen, the more money is made. Plus the people doing the work make good money, then go out and spend that extra money. Goverment is a jobs program in a sense. With out a goverment you have no market. They decide the rules and what you make, the acceptable treatment and the works. So don't go telling me about politics.

 The software company can make their own rules with their own products. I hate when people use the capitalism comment. you don't even know what  real capitalist is do you? It's a person who lives off investments. If the goverment don't put in rules I can come take all there money and if there is no rules, whos going to stop me. The free market is a two word sound bite made for dumb people. C'mon. There is no such thing. Free market would mean no rules. Meaning I just take your money. Now before you come on a rant about capitalism, learn some sh-t first.

You do not know anything about me so before you choose to point your finger and name someone as stupid perhaps you should first look into the mirror.  Clearly you do not understand the concept of capitalism which the dictionary definition is as follows: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production, with the creation of goods and services for profit. Elements central to capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, and a price system.  The used game market is a compeitive market--not a market disruptor as you would like people to believe.  You can have whatever opinion you want but that is all it is so stop trying to spout it as factual evidence. 

He said capitalist, not capitalism. So maybe you need to take that look in the mirror buddy. nice  example but that is not what he said at all. Your just broke and can't even afford the code idea he had. Whats that a extra 10-15$ out of your pocket or gamestops if you do sell it . I got his point, why couldn't you? 

Definition of CAPITALIST

1
: a person who has capital especially invested in business; broadly: a person of wealth : plutocrat
2
: a person who favors capitalism


The two of you both need to read because I was talking about capitalism not capitalists.  As for your comment, I only game on the PC and none of my games are used.  Thanks!

No, he can talk about what he wants. It's  that you didn't read what he wrote, that was the problem. Nice your a pc gamer, and you don't buy used.