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WiiU - Lots of new Info - Same poor result. Why Nintendo Direct just confirms my fears.

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I just wish Nintendo took more risks with their time tested IPs.....

I would Love to see a Pokemon MMO, a gritty Zelda, a sandbox 3D Mario game, Metroid via a game like Skyrim (scale).



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kitler53 said:
Wyrdness said:

"Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system."


Err what?
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The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale.

it's certainly no graphical slouch, but it doesn't distinquish itself much  from GoW ascension, GTA5, Halo 4 and other late last gen offerings.

Actually it does, look at the character models, animation and such in GTAV then look at X running in that trailer and this is a game that will run in actual HD resolutions and have huge scale as well, I went back and watch GTAV's trailer and say this hands down beats it from what's shown, Halo 4 and GOW have nowhere near the open scale this will have either especially when going by Xenoblades scale so it's not on the same podium as this. Final factor is that these are late gen games while one is an early gen game still in development and even then it still looks better then whats out.



sales2099 said:
I just wish Nintendo took more risks with their time tested IPs.....

I would Love to see a Pokemon MMO, a gritty Zelda, a sandbox 3D Mario game, Metroid via a game like Skyrim (scale).

Sadly they don't own Pokémon, the Pokémon Company does, which in turn Nintendo has 33% ownership.

It's seperate and does it's own thing :(



Vinniegambini said:
sales2099 said:
I just wish Nintendo took more risks with their time tested IPs.....

I would Love to see a Pokemon MMO, a gritty Zelda, a sandbox 3D Mario game, Metroid via a game like Skyrim (scale).

Sadly they don't own Pokémon, the Pokémon Company does, which in turn Nintendo has 33% ownership.

It's seperate and does it's own thing :(

Don't they own the IP itself? 



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

CharmedontheWB said:

Probably because Nintendo does not care about your fears.

lol

and making nintendo out in the cmpetition is like killing the power of three..... ok just got that reference from your name



 

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WiiU is out for like 3 months - you really that desperate for Nintendo to fail?



Gamerace said:

We all know Nintendo home console business had been in a state of continual decline since the NES right through to Gamecube.

Nintendo realized they couldn't win a straight on battle with MS/Sony for the core gamer, so they did something remarkable.  They decided to create a whole new audience.  Their 'blue ocean strategy'.    To this end they embraced the wiimote - a controller that did away with the monstrousity of buttons and sticks of the dual analog controller, that most common everyday people wouldn't touch and replaced them with simple intuitive motions.    They devised games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Wii Music - themes that everyone could immediately understand and enjoy.  And excepting Wii Music, but including Mario Kart Wii this drove sales to all new audiences.   Vast amounts of women, girls, 'lapsed gamers' (like myself), non-gamers and even retired folks played, loved and purchased Wiis.

But dispite the success of the blue ocean strategy, after 2010 Nintendo abandoned it to instead release only classic fare - mostly 2D platformers and games that did little to nothing to push the gaming envelope or even provide their new audience with anything to play except for lacklasture fare like Wii Party and Wii Motion Play.

Meanwhile MS and Apple were stealing thier audience with Kinect (which has now outsold GC in half the time) and ipads/iphones.

WiiU was Nintendo's opportunity to reclaim their new audience and dominance.  But instead of following the path of simplicity, accessibilty and fun that made Wii, Kinect, and iphones/iPads so successful, they went right back to the monstrousity of the dual analog controller now with added touch screen and motion and need for wiimotes still, and optional pro controller to create the most convoluted mess of a controller ever.  There's simply no initial enticement for anyone to want to use this.   People will either stick with their Wiis, tablets or their PS3/360s.

In the end it's all about the games.  Wii Sports is what sold the idea of motion controllers.  So despite Wii being about as powerful as a previous gen Xbox, everyone still wanted one, because it could do something the other HD systems couldn't.   At least, up until 2010 when it stopped being unique.

Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system.  So once again Nintendo needs to provide a unique experience, that's fun, accessible and appealing to all.  Else, there's simply no reason to leave Wii/360+Kinect or PS3+Move or tablets with their simple, fun and often free games.

So today Nintendo did something daring and surprisingly out of character and spilled the beans on all their upcoming games.  Nintendo fans rejoice!!  More Zelda! More 3D Mario. More Mario Kart.  More Fire Emblem. More Yoshi. More Xenoblade (maybe) and even a HD Wind Waker.  Okay great news.  If you're a Nintendo fan.   If not... There's nothing here.   WiiU Party and a bit of new info on WiiU Fit is the only casual fare they gave and neither one of those is going to get much more than a passing glance from the casual crowd Nintendo won over with Wii.    On the flip-side, if your a core gamer but not into Nintendo franchises there's still nothing here.

WiiU is a direct return to Gamecube status - catering to the Nintendo faithful with only paltry attempts to win over core/casuals.   Now moreso than ever before, I expect WiiU to emulate Gamecube in sales.   The market has grown and WiiU will get some leftover Wii love so I've no doubt WiiU will outsell GC but by returning to a red ocean strategy with aging IPs and no innovation (touch screens are not innovative in 2012) Nintendo is guaranteeing themselves a third place finish this gen.  


Nintendo Directs rarely ever focus on casual stuff, I mean the majority of casual players aren't likely to be watching anyway.

As for casual games, Nintendo is probably trying not to mine the market. They are leaving it open for 3rd parties with titles like that karaoke game and Just Dance. They have just finished a new Brain Training game that they will release later this year for the 3DS and the Wii U Party is as close as they can get to giving Wii audiences that liked the Wii Sports or Wii Play games their own mini game collection that use the system talents without ripping themselves off.

Ultimately what will determine Nintendo's success would be how quickly and the time frame they can string these releases together. If only one of the games mentioned in this Nintendo Direct or that they reveal at E3 is released this year that is a failure that will doom the system. If they can string together a good release window for these Wii U games and 3rd party titles, then Nintendo could be fine. The fact is no one knows for certain what MS or Sony are doing with their new systems so it is up to Nintendo to secure a large audience share this year to entrench themselves to battle similar to how Sony did with the PS2 which was weaker in power/ability to both the Xbox and GC but its games helped.

 

 



The casual audience is a fickle crowd looking for the next 'in' thing to own. That is why Sony, MS and Ninty build their console brands with core flagship franchises which keep the loyal fanbase happy gen after gen. You cannot rely on a strategy that needs the casual market to stay relevant , even if it brings success, it is most likely temporary.



SlyFoxDeveraux said:
Ckmlb1 said:
cusman said:

If you were paying attention to the Nintendo Direct then you are not the New "Casual" Audience.

The "casuals" get focus from Nintendo at Mall events and E3 and via Mass Media outlets

Also, Nintendo Land is the best game for families (casuals) created to date.

Wii Sports was a much much bigger hit with casuals than Nintendoland. Wii Sports was everywhere on tv shows and people that never touched video games were playing it. Nintendoland is nowhere to be seen outside of Nintendo ads. Motion controls are just way more intuitive and easy to get into for non gamers, Wii U pad doesn't have that same effect. 

So? Nintendo Land can sell half as much as Wii Sports did and still be a wild success. 

Pretty sure they'd rather it was a repeat of the Wii Sports success? Wii Sports sold the Wii, Nintendoland is not selling the Wii U. Didn't see about the casual games because I didn't watch the direct just saw the announcements of the core sequels.



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Wtf, they showed enough for everyone. RPG freaks, Nintendo lovers, new IP demanders, even casuals.

Looking at the "Currently Playing" part of this topic's author I wonder how Nintendo is doing shit since 2010?