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bonkers555 on 10 January 2013
BasilZero said:
bonkers555 said:


Vita Games>3DS Games currently.

There nothing else that Sony can do. The Vita have good game out there, just no one want to jump in. I blame the PS3 for the Vita failure in America.


Great post - really hilarious.

You disagree?



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ECM on 10 January 2013
Otakumegane said:
KingofRome said:
Otakumegane said:
Create a new IP that everyone will swarm over like Pokemon. Enough with the embarrassing ports and half-baked games.

That's not possible. Pokemon has built a fanbase over many years. You don't just create an IP and then it instantly sells tens of millions of units. It doesn't work like that. Nintendo has proved themselves with Pokemon like Sony has proved themselves with Gran Turismo. These franchises take time and effort to be turned into huge sellers. It's not an overnight thing.


This is not true in Pokemon's case, the 1st gen of Pokemon sold better than all its successive gens. What does Sony have? They next Mh can lift it in Japan , GT for europe, (is there a gigantic seller in NA? actually don't know this). But if even one of those are absent, the demand in that specific region plummets.

Pokemon actually WAS an overnight sensation, it suddenly released in Japan and took the country by storm (R/B/Y remain the best selling games in Japan to date) which just naturally spread to other regions. They need a brilliant creative new idea that can only be done on the VIta platform.

This thing needs the next big hit, it's not impossible as it has been done before by Nintendo multiple times. (Wii Sports? Came outta nowhere. Super Mario Bros? exploded onto the scene, there was no "Mario" fanbase before this game. I already mentioned Pokemon.)


Actually no, it wasn't. It was a very slow burn out of the gates and mimicked, in many ways, the pattern of so many Wii and DS games: they (red and green) started with low sales and then snowballed into a monster as word of mouth gradually spread.



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Otakumegane on 10 January 2013
ECM said:
Otakumegane said:
KingofRome said:
Otakumegane said:
Create a new IP that everyone will swarm over like Pokemon. Enough with the embarrassing ports and half-baked games.

That's not possible. Pokemon has built a fanbase over many years. You don't just create an IP and then it instantly sells tens of millions of units. It doesn't work like that. Nintendo has proved themselves with Pokemon like Sony has proved themselves with Gran Turismo. These franchises take time and effort to be turned into huge sellers. It's not an overnight thing.


This is not true in Pokemon's case, the 1st gen of Pokemon sold better than all its successive gens. What does Sony have? They next Mh can lift it in Japan , GT for europe, (is there a gigantic seller in NA? actually don't know this). But if even one of those are absent, the demand in that specific region plummets.

Pokemon actually WAS an overnight sensation, it suddenly released in Japan and took the country by storm (R/B/Y remain the best selling games in Japan to date) which just naturally spread to other regions. They need a brilliant creative new idea that can only be done on the VIta platform.

This thing needs the next big hit, it's not impossible as it has been done before by Nintendo multiple times. (Wii Sports? Came outta nowhere. Super Mario Bros? exploded onto the scene, there was no "Mario" fanbase before this game. I already mentioned Pokemon.)


Actually no, it wasn't. It was a very slow burn out of the gates and mimicked, in many ways, the pattern of so many Wii and DS games: they (red and green) started with low sales and then snowballed into a monster as word of mouth gradually spread.

I don't literally mean that it was overnight, just that the idea came outta nowhere, spread quickly due to its attractiveness and all of a sudden everyone had Pokemon. The same thing happened with doodle jump and Angry Birds (albiet faster thanks to advancements in social media) , but how it gained popularity was the same, people were suddenly attracted to this new thing everyone was talking about and everyone started buying one. The data isn't on VGChartz but the weekly sales must look similiar to the view graph of Gangnam style. Like a Logistics function. 

So my question is, why can't Sony do the same thing? They seem perfectly capable, a good enough IP with a fresh, unique, and original idea can save the platform if it snowballs.

Edit: Another examples-Nintendogs, Brain Age both new ideas that spread via word of mouth. Boom. You have a hit.



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VGKing on 10 January 2013
RolStoppable said:
VGKing said:
Siko1989 said:
doesn't Sony give a rats ass about portable gaming?

They never did really. Their main focus is on home consoles.

The funny thing is that with Nintendo its the opposite. Their focus is on portables over home consoles. Why do you think they suddenly stopped supporting the Wii? 3DS took priority, and if they couldn't make that sell then the whole company would have been in trouble. That $80 price cut was a sign of how much they depend on that portable market. They've been raking in most of their profits from that division ever since the Gameboy days. They aren't going to let that go without a fight. THIS IS WHY SONY HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST THE 3DS. Sony just isn't as commited to it especially now with tablet/smartphone gaming being so dominant.

When Nintendo launches a new system, their focus always switches to that system to build an installed base and (hopefully) attract third party support. When the Wii launched, the home console took priority over the handheld. And why shouldn't it? There's more money to be made on home consoles, because the margins are higher on software sales, the tie ratios are higher than on handhelds and finally, there is additional money to be made from controllers and accessories. The Wii generated more profits for Nintendo than the DS.

It's also worth noting that the DS and PSP launched side by side, as did the Wii and PS3. Nintendo won on both accounts. Saying that Nintendo's main focus is on handhelds equals to trolling Sony hard (because they took a beating, even though Nintendo supposedly wasn't even trying). Please refrain from doing such things in the future.

Nintendo was easily able to shift focus from the DS to the Wii since it was selling so well. Games like Super Mario , Nintendogs and Brain Age single-handedly carried the system. Besides, the Wii wasn't exactly high-maintenance. Wii Sports carreid THAT system.

Well what I see with Sony is that they still haven't shifted their focus to the Vita....at all. Where is Sony's Nintendogs? Brain Age? Mario? Mario Kart? I don't see it. Look at LittleBigPlanet Karting. That should have been a Vita game.... Look at PS All-Stars, that should have been a PS3 exclusive. Game is horrible to play on Vita.



Otakumegane on 10 January 2013
RolStoppable said:
VGKing said:

Nintendo was easily able to shift focus from the DS to the Wii since it was selling so well. Games like Super Mario , Nintendogs and Brain Age single-handedly carried the system. Besides, the Wii wasn't exactly high-maintenance. Wii Sports carreid THAT system.

 

Well what I see with Sony is that they still haven't shifted their focus to the Vita....at all. Where is Sony's Nintendogs? Brain Age? Mario? Mario Kart? I don't see it. Look at LittleBigPlanet Karting. That should have been a Vita game.... Look at PS All-Stars, that should have been a PS3 exclusive. Game is horrible to play on Vita.

 

Nintendo's focus would have shifted to the Wii regardless, because Nintendo knows that they have to build an installed base themselves. And right now Nintendo's focus shifts to the Wii U, so most of their big games in 2013 and 2014 will be for their home console.

I didn't disagree with your assessment that Sony's focus is on home consoles, because that's the truth and always has been.

Yes, I see 2013 and being the greatest 3DS year and then Nintendo hard shifting to WiiU for late 2013-2014. 



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Pavolink on 10 January 2013
BasilZero said:
Pavolink said:
pezus said:
This whole situation can basically be blamed on one company: Capcom


So Vita can only sell Capcom's games?


Apparently that is what sells in Japan if you are not a Nintendo first party title.

And we are talking about Americas.



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Otakumegane on 10 January 2013
Pavolink said:
BasilZero said:
Pavolink said:
pezus said:
This whole situation can basically be blamed on one company: Capcom


So Vita can only sell Capcom's games?


Apparently that is what sells in Japan if you are not a Nintendo first party title.

And we are talking about Americas.


I wouldn't say it's doing TOO bad in America, but I don't know if Sony has a game like MH for that can sell it too Americans extremely well. (It was supposed to be COD)



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the_dengle on 11 January 2013

I'm not sure I'd describe PSV sales in America as "nightmarish" for not even having been on sale for a full year. Still, it could use a few things: a price cut, games that actually sell (decent Call of Duty for the West, Monster Hunter for Japan), a price cut, a fix for the Vita's image problem (Sony needs people to stop thinking of it as an overpriced port machine), a price cut, better marketing, a price cut, a firmware update that makes it compatible with SD cards if possible or a price cut to Sony's memory cards if not.



Soundwave on 11 January 2013

Less than 250k for December is "nightmarish".

I'm pretty sure even the Dreamcast did better than that its first December. How much lower do you want to go?

PSP sold 1.12 million at the same price its first December.



PScollector on 11 January 2013

Time for a price drop and a solid new app



 

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