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Scisca said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Scisca said:
I've played Dust beta a bit and I was disappointed. The game is for free, but I still don't feel like playing it. The whole idea behind it, the development of classes and stuff is really confusing, though I can see that it should be interesting once you get hold of it, but the gameplay itself is just... bad. Really, the original CoD4: MW is lightyears ahead. If I have a choice to play this for free or buy Halo 4/CoD, I'm gonna go with the latter. This idea behind the game is cool, but gameplay sucks.


The whole point of a closed beta is stress test, and to give constructive feedback. CCP give you only the essentials to play and test its features. Mind you, CCP is doing something that has never been done on consoles before.

Making complaints like this is premature right now because it is not the full game.. It would be better if you give CCP feedback of whatever displeases you, this goes to the OP too, because Dust 514 have their own forum to give feedback. It doesn't make any sense making a complaint thread here.

Imho : 

I've tryed Dust beta and I did not like it at all. At all. Bad graphics, bad gameplay, bad weapons, bad maps. I was EVE player for years, and I was excited at Dust, but the result is painful, not fun to play and fails to deliver. The EVE fitting system implemented to the suit is a very good idea though.

The problem with CCP, is that they take too much time to develop and modify their game. EVE took ten years to be what it is now, and modification took long to solve BPO T2, fleetbattle lag, POS warfare. A simple thing as the hostile flag in the system was originally a mod, that was implemented ingame a year after. 

Also, compared to what competition has to offer, CCP is leagues behind. And the decision to take it out of the PC crowd is another nail in the coffin.

 

 


Again I'll say it is in closed Beta... They give you only the essentials necessary to play and stress test... Don't expect pretty graphics because that is why there is still the NDA in effect.

Why is this so hard to understand. Do you think you're playing the final polished product?

Every complaint here has already been addressed in the Dust 514 Beta forum anyways.


If the product is not finished, don't release it, or it's worst.

I'll give you two example of my favorites games, that basically fucked up their launch

- The Witcher 2 : When it released, the kb controls were shit, lots of bugs, ctd... and they did the same than for the witcher 1, they had to rerelease a extended edition to get a game fully working. Result : TW2 was reviewed with an average of 6-7 when it should have been higher had they released the game with the quality of the extended edition.

- Hard Reset : At the moment of release, you couldn't tell which weapon you had, there was a lot of crash. These were all corrected in patches a few months after release, and then they release an free addon called Exile which added a lot more. But nobody reviews the game afterwards.

What I mean, is a game releasing in a unfinite state will be considered as shit forever. Just look at WarZ launch.


Dust 514 haven't released yet, that is why it is still in Closed Beta. If you do find any glitch and bugs then make sure to report it in the Beta forum.

Look, you just don't get it. Have you played this game? I haven't experienced a single glitch or bug, that's just not the problem this game has. The problem is this game is just bad to the bone! There is no fun playing it. There is no fun shooting, exploring maps, using turrets. The whole gameplay is just BAD.

No you don't get it.. Go to their beta forum and complain why its bad. Again, go and complain there why the closed beta is bad. I cannot elaborate that any clearer.

Telling me its bad doesn't do jack. Yes I play the beta, and I've played the most recent patch. And I don't agree with your opinion, but again you're free to express that to Dust 514 development team, you're just wasting your time complaining here.      edit: If you want to help make it a better game to your standards then now is the time because it is in Closed Beta.. Take advantage of that.



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Scisca said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Wow.. I don't know but when people say "I'd rather play Halo 4 than Dust 514". I'm kind of offended. Just slightly.

Knowing that Dust is not really the gam that people expected. Its like people are implying that Halo 4 is a last resort FPS when its actually a high quality game.

Just sayin.

Sony fanboys say they'd rather pay $60 for a Halo game than play a free to play game on PS3 and you feel offended? Damn, you get offended easily.


I did have a reason didn't I??



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deskpro2k3 said:
Scisca said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Scisca said:
I've played Dust beta a bit and I was disappointed. The game is for free, but I still don't feel like playing it. The whole idea behind it, the development of classes and stuff is really confusing, though I can see that it should be interesting once you get hold of it, but the gameplay itself is just... bad. Really, the original CoD4: MW is lightyears ahead. If I have a choice to play this for free or buy Halo 4/CoD, I'm gonna go with the latter. This idea behind the game is cool, but gameplay sucks.


The whole point of a closed beta is stress test, and to give constructive feedback. CCP give you only the essentials to play and test its features. Mind you, CCP is doing something that has never been done on consoles before.

Making complaints like this is premature right now because it is not the full game.. It would be better if you give CCP feedback of whatever displeases you, this goes to the OP too, because Dust 514 have their own forum to give feedback. It doesn't make any sense making a complaint thread here.

Imho : 

I've tryed Dust beta and I did not like it at all. At all. Bad graphics, bad gameplay, bad weapons, bad maps. I was EVE player for years, and I was excited at Dust, but the result is painful, not fun to play and fails to deliver. The EVE fitting system implemented to the suit is a very good idea though.

The problem with CCP, is that they take too much time to develop and modify their game. EVE took ten years to be what it is now, and modification took long to solve BPO T2, fleetbattle lag, POS warfare. A simple thing as the hostile flag in the system was originally a mod, that was implemented ingame a year after. 

Also, compared to what competition has to offer, CCP is leagues behind. And the decision to take it out of the PC crowd is another nail in the coffin.

 

 


Again I'll say it is in closed Beta... They give you only the essentials necessary to play and stress test... Don't expect pretty graphics because that is why there is still the NDA in effect.

Why is this so hard to understand. Do you think you're playing the final polished product?

Every complaint here has already been addressed in the Dust 514 Beta forum anyways.


If the product is not finished, don't release it, or it's worst.

I'll give you two example of my favorites games, that basically fucked up their launch

- The Witcher 2 : When it released, the kb controls were shit, lots of bugs, ctd... and they did the same than for the witcher 1, they had to rerelease a extended edition to get a game fully working. Result : TW2 was reviewed with an average of 6-7 when it should have been higher had they released the game with the quality of the extended edition.

- Hard Reset : At the moment of release, you couldn't tell which weapon you had, there was a lot of crash. These were all corrected in patches a few months after release, and then they release an free addon called Exile which added a lot more. But nobody reviews the game afterwards.

What I mean, is a game releasing in a unfinite state will be considered as shit forever. Just look at WarZ launch.


Dust 514 haven't released yet, that is why it is still in Closed Beta. If you do find any glitch and bugs then make sure to report it in the Beta forum.

Look, you just don't get it. Have you played this game? I haven't experienced a single glitch or bug, that's just not the problem this game has. The problem is this game is just bad to the bone! There is no fun playing it. There is no fun shooting, exploring maps, using turrets. The whole gameplay is just BAD.

No you don't get it.. Go to their beta forum and complain why its bad. Again, go and complain there why the closed beta is bad. I cannot elaborate that any clearer.

Telling me its bad doesn't do jack. Yes I play the beta, and I've played the most recent patch. And I don't agree with your opinion, but again you're free to express that to Dust 514 development team, you're just wasting your time complaining here.      edit: If you want to help make it a better game to your standards then now is the time because it is in Closed Beta.. Take advantage of that.

The only advice I could give them is to dump the current gameplay and make the game play like CoD, Battlefield, Halo or whatever game that actually works. Don't think that it would help them much.

Nice motivational stuff, but the brutal truth is that I don't care about it. I'm 28, have a job, girlfriend, a PhD to write and when I find time to play a game I want to play one that actually works and is fun for me. Spending a couple of hours playing a game that's no fun just to find out why it's not fun isn't something I want to waste my free time on, sorry. I'm gonna give this game a try once they finish it, but I don't plan to play the beta again. There is too many great games out there to waste time on bad ones.



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Scisca said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Wow.. I don't know but when people say "I'd rather play Halo 4 than Dust 514". I'm kind of offended. Just slightly.

Knowing that Dust is not really the gam that people expected. Its like people are implying that Halo 4 is a last resort FPS when its actually a high quality game.

Just sayin.

Sony fanboys say they'd rather pay $60 for a Halo game than play a free to play game on PS3 and you feel offended? Damn, you get offended easily.


I did have a reason didn't I??

I don't think so, but I'm a bit of a Sony guy ;)



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My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

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Scisca said:
 

The only advice I could give them is to dump the current gameplay and make the game play like CoD, Battlefield, Halo or whatever game that actually works. Don't think that it would help them much.

Nice motivational stuff, but the brutal truth is that I don't care about it. I'm 28, have a job, girlfriend, a PhD to write and when I find time to play a game I want to play one that actually works and is fun for me. Spending a couple of hours playing a game that's no fun just to find out why it's not fun isn't something I want to waste my free time on, sorry. I'm gonna give this game a try once they finish it, but I don't plan to play the beta again. There is too many great games out there to waste time on bad ones.

gameplay, you can change the controls to anything you want. including the superior way to play any FPS. PS Move, or  mouse and keyboard.

From what you just said, my advice to you is to probably look elsewhere. I can tell you right now Dust 514 is not a quick pick up and play arcade style FPS like CoD, Halo and whatever. It is much more strategic since it is a persistent MMOFPS set in the EVE Online universe. I say that because you can join a cooperation, and you can be employed by an EVE Online player by accepting their contract if their price is right. I'll also add, the developers confirmed that it will take you seven years to unlock and fully cap all the skills available in the game

I don't think this game is for you after all.



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