awe bugger someone find correct data! this is best information if found. Rather than babbling back and forth. I know the gun murder rate in general is higher per capita than any "first world country" however, finding a reliable murder rate. AHHH!

www.fbi.gov is where most of the data people use comes from

I'll bet you can kill more with a car at Time Square during prime time :)

Shit, you can hand somebody an axe, have that person go into an apartment complex then knock door to door in a city and just kill whoever opens the door and get a better number.

"Assault" weapon is also not a good term, you can put a pistol grip on a rifle and then it'd be considered an assault weapon, not a legal one, but one regardless, and it wouldn't perform any better. You are thinking fully automatic carbines which are outlawed anytime after a 1986 manufacturing date which requires special permit($$$) and is anywhere from 15k-20k+ USD($$$$$$). No civillian can legally own a fully automatic shotgun either like the AA-12 no matter how much I want one of those fuckers(got my eyes on the UTS-15 though), other shotguns are not that easy to shoot for novice for many reasons other than the recoil. Guns are not magic devices either, you can't just give somebody a gun and he'd randomly just be good at using it, you can't aim for shit without practice and each gun is different even from the same model line.

The assumption that you can just hand anybody a gun and they'd be a deadly force to be reckoned with is ridiculous in itself and at point blank range a knife is just as effective if not more than any gun when you are trying to kill a bunch of kids behind a locked door. Point and shoot is only in FPS games, that's not how real life works.

Nationmaster is a VERY partial list.

Wikipedia has a much more robust list (which should have been used instead of Nationmaster, really): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

You have to scroll down to about the bottom half to find the US.

shot guns are easy to shoot... for me atleast shooting trap which isn't moving things :P. However my main point is to find gun murder rate per capita vs murder rate.

not if you want to kill a lot of people fast, most shotguns can't carry a lot of rounds unless you do extensive modding, the barrel is too long for close quarters and presents a big problem unless you have police or military grade combat shotguns, great for hunting when you use bird shots or buck shots but not the most ideal for self defense or murdering school kids. Not that anybody should murder school kids, I'm just saying. If some fast damage needs to be done though, Slidefire Stock with extended mag might do the trick, but that requires a special way of holding the carbine which is also meh. I'm just saying, guns are not magic, if all guns are banned, it'd just turn into other ways of killing and spread out anyways.

PS: Saiga 12 might do the trick though, you just gotta get the extended mags and load up like 5 mags which would give you 60 rounds of shotgun shells that you can swap relatively fast and hoping it doesn't jam, not that any novice can handle 60 rounds of 12 gauge in a short time though lol....

If guns caused gun violence, we would expect to see white people to have the highest homicide rates with black people having the lowest homicide rates. The fact that we see the opposite implies that gun violence is not caused by gun ownership.

you're missing the point. I'm arguing neither way. I'm trying to find a table with facts (U.S. not listed but numbers are all screwy).

Obviously the U.S. has higher gun rates homocide per capita than any other first world country. That is a fact. I'm trying to find general homocide rates per capita, which I think support your view. That people kill people regardless, they just use guns in U.S. instead.

It is 100% the blame game here. Just like everything else in America today.

As a country can we NOT FUCKING TAKE responsibility for anything anymore?

Lets blame the guns for the school deaths, Lets blame Violent Video Games/Movies/TV Shows. Not the parent who didnt lock up the damn guns when she "probably" knew her kid was violent? Let us not blame the system for not allowing her easier access to help for her son? LET US NOT BLAME THE KID WHO DID IT?

Its the same with Obesity here (only reason I bring it up is it was stated earlier). Lets blame the food, lets call it a "disease". Lets not take any personal responsibility for eating to much, being lazy and refusing to "fix ourselves".

This is not a Republican/Libertarian thing, as there are plenty of Democrats who agree who are against Gun Control.

The only solution that protects the bill of rights and the free state. (problem solved)



Comment: The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill
H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws.
It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.

The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia,
henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and
District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.

The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and
45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal
right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as
many as they can afford to buy.

The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of
attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross
violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

The President of the United States has zero authority without violating
the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their
State borders.