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Forums - Politics - Gun control debate issues that bother me. Will Libertarians and Republicans please address these?

dsgrue3 on 27 December 2012
Viper1 said:
I say should have food control regulations....or maybe even a food ban. That will cut down on America's weight problem. I mean, it was the food that made them fat, not the people and their overindulgence or anything. Right?

Most excellent.



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dahuman on 27 December 2012
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

where guns are banned, enjoy.



El_Machete on 27 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

How about fertilizer and a rent a truck? no? Fine then I can easily answer you with 9-11. That was done due to box cutters and killed thousands

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Which was are you okay with teachers using those instruments?


If a cop loses his mind one day and starts killing a bunch of people, no one would blame the gun because he was supposed to have one. It was simply a misfortune and should be attributed to other things. If a teacher decides to use a scissor to kill children, no one would blame the scissor, or box cutter. I thought i did answer your question, but allow me to do it more clearly. I am ok with teachers using those tools because those tools are not the problem in these scenarios. Stop being so cynical and making these complete irrelevant examples.



Max King of the Wild on 27 December 2012
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

How about fertilizer and a rent a truck? no? Fine then I can easily answer you with 9-11. That was done due to box cutters and killed thousands

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Which was are you okay with teachers using those instruments?


If a cop loses his mind one day and starts killing a bunch of people, no one would blame the gun because he was supposed to have one. It was simply a misfortune and should be attributed to other things. If a teacher decides to use a scissor to kill children, no one would blame the scissor, or box cutter. I thought i did answer your question, but allow me to do it more clearly. I am ok with teachers using those tools because those tools are not the problem in these scenarios. Stop being so cynical and making these complete irrelevant examples.


Stop being so assumptious and thinking the examples  are completely irrelevant. So you are okay with teachers using tools they are trained in. You are also okay with officers using tools they are trained in. Both are people, but you aren't okay with one group to be trained with a certain tool that the other group is trained in... So officers shouldn't be trained to use saws



El_Machete on 27 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
 

Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

How about fertilizer and a rent a truck? no? Fine then I can easily answer you with 9-11. That was done due to box cutters and killed thousands

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Which was are you okay with teachers using those instruments?

 

If a cop loses his mind one day and starts killing a bunch of people, no one would blame the gun because he was supposed to have one. It was simply a misfortune and should be attributed to other things. If a teacher decides to use a scissor to kill children, no one would blame the scissor, or box cutter. I thought i did answer your question, but allow me to do it more clearly. I am ok with teachers using those tools because those tools are not the problem in these scenarios. Stop being so cynical and making these complete irrelevant examples.

 


Stop being so assumptious and thinking the examples  are completely irrelevant. So you are okay with teachers using tools they are trained in. You are also okay with officers using tools they are trained in. Both are people, but you aren't okay with one group to be trained with a certain tool that the other group is trained in... So officers shouldn't be trained to use saws


we are derailing from the issue, but ill bite one more time. Everything can be used to kill, a kitching knife to a bag of cottons, and of course the one that has always been with us... our own hands. When you think about this, examples of saws and scissors become irrelevant. Guns are a different case because they were made with the sole purpose of killing. They are extremely effient and have no other purpose. I really don't undertand why would anyone want to be trained to use a gun, if not to be an officer or soldier.  



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ishiki on 27 December 2012
dahuman said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

where guns are banned, enjoy.


Assault weapons are easier to kill lots amounts of people with than a knife.

I'm certain you give an idiot an assault weapon and have him go kill people. He kills more people than he would with a knife.
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Kasz216 on 27 December 2012
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

Well for one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29

 

Granted, less effective then guns.  However actually, it's easier to kill someone with a knife then a gun.  Just harder to kill multiple people.


By banning guns, chances are homicide rates would go up, as more people would die from homicide attempts and just plane assaults that end in homicide, that would far offset the difference in prevented mass killings.



Lafiel on 27 December 2012
ishiki said:

However, i'm not sure if these sites are correct. But, the U.S. is 10 in the world of gun violent deaths per capita. However not in the top 37 in homocide per capita. This obviously supports that people are the problem not the guns. However there's no way to prove whether or not banning guns would decrease homocide rate even further. Letting the government take away freedoms is a slippery slope. Also the money could be spent = on something more worthwhile, or not spent, but the government likes spending money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

lol? according to the first table the USA has 3.6 gun related homicides per 100k people, which is equal to 36 per 1million people

that alone would mean they are at #11 in the second list



Max King of the Wild on 27 December 2012
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
 

 

 

 

 

Stop being so assumptious and thinking the examples  are completely irrelevant. So you are okay with teachers using tools they are trained in. You are also okay with officers using tools they are trained in. Both are people, but you aren't okay with one group to be trained with a certain tool that the other group is trained in... So officers shouldn't be trained to use saws


we are derailing from the issue, but ill bite one more time. Everything can be used to kill, a kitching knife to a bag of cottons, and of course the one that has always been with us... our own hands. When you think about this, examples of saws and scissors become irrelevant. Guns are a different case because they were made with the sole purpose of killing. They are extremely effient and have no other purpose. I really don't undertand why would anyone want to be trained to use a gun, if not to be an officer or soldier.  


My point completely flew over your head. As for being trained to use a gun other than being an officer or soldier. Protection, hunting, fighting big government that over steps their athority... lots of reasons to be trained



Kasz216 on 27 December 2012
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
 

Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

How about fertilizer and a rent a truck? no? Fine then I can easily answer you with 9-11. That was done due to box cutters and killed thousands

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Which was are you okay with teachers using those instruments?

 

If a cop loses his mind one day and starts killing a bunch of people, no one would blame the gun because he was supposed to have one. It was simply a misfortune and should be attributed to other things. If a teacher decides to use a scissor to kill children, no one would blame the scissor, or box cutter. I thought i did answer your question, but allow me to do it more clearly. I am ok with teachers using those tools because those tools are not the problem in these scenarios. Stop being so cynical and making these complete irrelevant examples.

 


Stop being so assumptious and thinking the examples  are completely irrelevant. So you are okay with teachers using tools they are trained in. You are also okay with officers using tools they are trained in. Both are people, but you aren't okay with one group to be trained with a certain tool that the other group is trained in... So officers shouldn't be trained to use saws


we are derailing from the issue, but ill bite one more time. Everything can be used to kill, a kitching knife to a bag of cottons, and of course the one that has always been with us... our own hands. When you think about this, examples of saws and scissors become irrelevant. Guns are a different case because they were made with the sole purpose of killing. They are extremely effient and have no other purpose. I really don't undertand why would anyone want to be trained to use a gun, if not to be an officer or soldier.  


Except they aren't made for that sole purpose.  Ergo your entire premise is flawed.  Tons of people use guns for purpose that do not involve killing in the least.