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Should we take "Christ" out Christmas?

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Should "Christ" be taken out of this time of Year?

It's a religious Holiday... 189 64.51%
 
It's not about any Relig... 54 18.43%
 
I really don't care - wh... 50 17.06%
 
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KylieDog said:
It is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. If that isn't what you're celebrating then you're doing christmas wrong.


It's about the birth of Christ for some people. For others it's not. Just because they aren't doing Christmas like you doesn't mean they're doing it wrong.



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Christmas is a household name, you're never going to change that. It's just too big a holiday to try to change it. Liberals are trying to take God/Christ out of the pledge, schools, and everything. It really aggravates me. Just leave it alone it's not hurting anyone, that's the way it's been for centuries.



The secular Christmas has given us a good deal of moral values largely detached from the original story. The Christ-less Christmas of, say, "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" or the largely Christ-absent "Christmas Carol" impart values applicable and relevant to all peoples of all beliefs.

I don't see Christmas as politically incorrect, largely because its become a bigger phenomenon than a religious holiday.



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Mr Khan said:
The secular Christmas has given us a good deal of moral values largely detached from the original story. The Christ-less Christmas of, say, "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" or the largely Christ-absent "Christmas Carol" impart values applicable and relevant to all peoples of all beliefs.

I don't see Christmas as politically incorrect, largely because its become a bigger phenomenon than a religious holiday.


Exactly, a lot of people have forgotten what Christmas is really about. It's not about Santa Claus or the gifts, it's the celebration of the birth of Christ. But over the years Christmas has become more of a universal term for happy holidays. 



I don't care what it's called, there's very little 'Christ' in the whole thing anyway, just in the word and not in the actual thing. That said, I find it ridiculous that some people would be offended by the word itself because, like I said, the actual thing isn't practically related to Christ at all anymore.



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haxxiy said:
Marks said:
Are you kidding? The whole point of Christmas is the birth of Christ...the reason we give gifts is because the wise men gave gifts to Christ.

That's like trying to take St. Patrick out of St. Patrick's Day or St. Valentine out of Valentine's Day....what's the fucking point?

Man I'm really tired of non-Christians trying to change Christian traditions in a Christian country. You don't hear about Christians going to Israel or Saudi Arabia and demand Jewish or Muslim traditions be changed...so why in America?

Saying happy holidays is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT...we don't need to now disrespect the hell out of Christmas by taking Christ's name out of it.

What, haven't you heard? Male white christians dominated the world for twenty centuries, opressed the hell out of everyone, Sauron style, and should pay for it now. Yeah, some people believe that despite China and India dominating world trade and culture all the way to the late 19th century, and women being held in way higher regard in the west throughout most of history. I blame good old ethnocentrism, only working in reverse this time...

and what about atheists, agnostics and laics ? they also celebrate xmas and it wasnt a christian holiday to begin with ?

why should we suffer the heritage of a christian culture against which western modernity fought against and which is opposed to the greek & roman empires heritage (which define western culture more than christianity or judaism) ?

long question made short :

christian believers are in the minority in western culture and they transformed a pagan celebration into a fake date of jesus birth



Before anyone gets too self righteous about the subject of political correctness in this instance. It is purely the end result of intolerant vitriol that was spread by Christian fundamentalists who wanted to supplant the current secular holiday with a religious holiday fully devoted to their God. Basically it was a attempt to hijack the holiday for use as a propaganda tool. It wasn't divisive prior to that point, but it has been ever since.

The problem is we have two very different holidays on the same day. One is a religious holiday, and one is a secular holiday, and one of those holidays is trying to eat the other one. Whether the celebrants of that holiday wanted it or not. Well they didn't, and they weren't going to tolerate someone trying to force them out of their holiday. So they decided to say they wanted a divorce.

Which of coarse puts companies on the spot. If they wish people a Merry Christmas they are siding with a religion against everyone who isn't of that faith. While wishing people a happy holiday is like saying we don't value any one group of people over any other. Which is pretty safe, because only a ass bitches about a generic well wishing. It hasn't mind you stopped a lot of those fundamentalist ministers from now bitching about people no longer using their name for the holiday.

Anyway it wasn't Atheists, Agnostics, or Non Christians who are the root culprits in all of this name changing. They weren't the ones who had issues with the name. Everyone was happy until someone tried to force a god on some people who weren't interested.

Personally I think well wishes shouldn't have added meanings, and it sucks that is the case now, because just a few assholes had to go out of their way to do just that. I usually wish people a happy holiday, because as sad as it is to say. I would rather not offend someone, or come across as making personal judgments. That isn't to say that I will not wish someone a Merry Christmas if they wish me it first, but I won't go out on that limb myself. Anyway give it fifty years, and nobody outside of a church will wish anyone else a Merry Christmas. They will just be the Holidays plural.



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fighter said:
haxxiy said:
Marks said:
Are you kidding? The whole point of Christmas is the birth of Christ...the reason we give gifts is because the wise men gave gifts to Christ.

That's like trying to take St. Patrick out of St. Patrick's Day or St. Valentine out of Valentine's Day....what's the fucking point?

Man I'm really tired of non-Christians trying to change Christian traditions in a Christian country. You don't hear about Christians going to Israel or Saudi Arabia and demand Jewish or Muslim traditions be changed...so why in America?

Saying happy holidays is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT...we don't need to now disrespect the hell out of Christmas by taking Christ's name out of it.

What, haven't you heard? Male white christians dominated the world for twenty centuries, opressed the hell out of everyone, Sauron style, and should pay for it now. Yeah, some people believe that despite China and India dominating world trade and culture all the way to the late 19th century, and women being held in way higher regard in the west throughout most of history. I blame good old ethnocentrism, only working in reverse this time...

christian believers are in the minority in western culture and they transformed a pagan celebration into a fake date of jesus birth

No, actually, it's the non christians who are in minority in The West



No amount of secularism will remove Christ from Christmas.