if you had read the thread you would have noticed it s a pagan holiday more than a christian one

and easter is somewhat in the same case and that s another story

i find it funny how you christians forget the origin of your own religion

you can be even funnier when you consider the bible as a history book

I find it funny that you assume that someone who actually defends religious holidays from people who would rather replace it with some other PC, non-offensive term like "Winter Solstice" is actually a Christian.

It's also funny that they always seem to go after the Christian holidays and not the Jewish ones.  Or are those pagan holidays too?

I watched an episode of time team and on it they stated that 25 th December was the holy day of Mithras, a pagan deity. I have also read many correlations between the Egyptian god Osiris and Jesus including the shared proposed birth date of 25th December.

ok so you are not christian ? ha ha

nobody is going against christian holidays dude, nor jewish

Happy holidays is more proper form of wishing it since it includes agnostics and atheists and anyone else than just christians 

this festivity has always been a pagan holiday and not always a christian one (as you can read in the rest of the thread christians attempted to make it their own and exclusively their own and failed)

Christmas and Easter are simply hijacked Pagan holidays largely celebrated by the non-religious. Just because I'm not Christian that means I shouldn't get the day off to celebrate with my family? I personally don't care about Jesus, I only want to spend time with family and friends because that's the most important aspect of this holiday. You know, if divisive Christians want to force Jesus back into the Winter Solstice than maybe they should also consider removing all of the Pagan symbolism, traditions and crass consumerism.

the christian belief that jesus was born on the night of 24 to 25th december of the year 0 is off by at least a few years and by at least a season (apparently spring instead)

Depending on how you look at it, Jesus may have been against political participation altogether, being a distraction from life with and for others.

To add to the conversation... I am Christian and most Christians I know (although this may be my specific demographic in northeastern US, I have no idea about other areas) are well aware that Jesus was not born on December 25th or on the year 0, but celebrate Jesus' birthday on that day symbolicaly. Most people I know have no qualms about this, but I know many atheists who bring up these facts as if it should change our celebration.

Also, if you look at church history (which I am not the most proud of), when Christianity began to mix politics with religion (in the Roman empire, around 4th century AD with Constantine declaring Christianity the state religion), there were many instances of replacing pagan ideas and traditions with Christian ones... This wasn't just holidays, but places of worship, the type of art that was created, etc. I don't know.. I began doing some readings on this topic and I think it's pretty damn complicated. I don't think it's really as simple as "christian rebranded the pagan holiday!" but I guess it's one way to simplify what happened. But it does have to be viewed in the greater context of that time period.

I say happy holidays myself, makes no difference to me if someone feels the need to say Merry Christmas though, it's about the holiday spirit really anyway.

I've been saying it over and over, but they have their mind made up. They think that Christmas is a rebranded pagan winter solstace and no amount of truth is going to convince them otherwise. I've spelled it out over and over that Christmas's date was moved. But they think the Church just grabed a random pagan holiday and decided to make up a brithday for it. I've given up. Some people won't listen to reason.