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Who won?

The Athiest 40 70.18%
 
The creationist 17 29.82%
 
Total:57
KungKras on 22 December 2012
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


If he was also an anti theist, then yes, I would probably. So far, most if not all of them were, so yeah, theres a logical pathway

If there is a logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, could you please explain it.


In the denfinition of atheism, no. But same goes for religion.  And i didnt say just atheism, but also anti-theism. I guess those 2 are hard to divide today among internet warrior atheists, huh?

And if one is anti theist, he could (out of his hatred) persecute and or/eventually kill religious people. Just like if someone was a fundamentalist or extremist.

OK you admit there is no logical one, and you describe an emotional pathway. Now for the follow up question. Was it logical and/or objectively moral for the jews to slaughter the amalukites when ordered to do so by god?



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Player1x3 on 23 December 2012
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


If he was also an anti theist, then yes, I would probably. So far, most if not all of them were, so yeah, theres a logical pathway

If there is a logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, could you please explain it.


In the denfinition of atheism, no. But same goes for religion.  And i didnt say just atheism, but also anti-theism. I guess those 2 are hard to divide today among internet warrior atheists, huh?

And if one is anti theist, he could (out of his hatred) persecute and or/eventually kill religious people. Just like if someone was a fundamentalist or extremist.

OK you admit there is no logical one, and you describe an emotional pathway. Now for the follow up question. Was it logical and/or objectively moral for the jews to slaughter the amalukites when ordered to do so by god?

I admited there was no logical pathway in the defintion of atheismm, which is true for religion as well. But you can find a pathway for killing from almost any belief or ideology, it doesnt mean that the ideology supports the killing. 

To answer your question (which has nothing to do with the topic, but I'll bite just this once), yes it was logical seeing as how the Old Testament (the orthodox jeish part) promotes eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. Amaleks attacked, killed, pillaged and persecuted Jews millions times before, and were given the second chance multiple times, and they did not repent. So i'd say that story promotes Wrath of God and equal punishment, rather than just mindless slaughter of unbelievers (which I assume was what you were getting at?)



spaceguy on 24 December 2012

Athiest are on the rise. Seems polls are all showing this. About time.



tolu619 on 27 December 2012
Raze said:
Also works if you replace "atheist" with "fanboy"


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spaceguy on 27 December 2012
tolu619 said:
Raze said:
Also works if you replace "atheist" with "fanboy"


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Actually I think it's the other way around. There are many gods to be fanboys of and really athiest are fanboys of non. So you might want to change your outlook. I see a bunch of fanboys around the world, Doing horrible things to represent there god. So who's the fanboy. What exactly are athiest fanboys of, If you say truth and a good understanding of logic, then yes I will give it to you.



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spaceguy on 28 December 2012



KungKras on 30 December 2012
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


If he was also an anti theist, then yes, I would probably. So far, most if not all of them were, so yeah, theres a logical pathway

If there is a logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, could you please explain it.


In the denfinition of atheism, no. But same goes for religion.  And i didnt say just atheism, but also anti-theism. I guess those 2 are hard to divide today among internet warrior atheists, huh?

And if one is anti theist, he could (out of his hatred) persecute and or/eventually kill religious people. Just like if someone was a fundamentalist or extremist.

OK you admit there is no logical one, and you describe an emotional pathway. Now for the follow up question. Was it logical and/or objectively moral for the jews to slaughter the amalukites when ordered to do so by god?

I admited there was no logical pathway in the defintion of atheismm, which is true for religion as well. But you can find a pathway for killing from almost any belief or ideology, it doesnt mean that the ideology supports the killing. 

To answer your question (which has nothing to do with the topic, but I'll bite just this once), yes it was logical seeing as how the Old Testament (the orthodox jeish part) promotes eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. Amaleks attacked, killed, pillaged and persecuted Jews millions times before, and were given the second chance multiple times, and they did not repent. So i'd say that story promotes Wrath of God and equal punishment, rather than just mindless slaughter of unbelievers (which I assume was what you were getting at?)

Ok. And what about the amalek women and children who were supposedly slaughtered too.

"2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

And what about those innocent camels and oxes, what did they ever do to deserve getting killed (If they weren't to be eaten) :(

Is this moral because god commanded it? Was it a logcal thing to follow god's command?



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spaceguy on 31 December 2012
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


If he was also an anti theist, then yes, I would probably. So far, most if not all of them were, so yeah, theres a logical pathway

If there is a logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, could you please explain it.


In the denfinition of atheism, no. But same goes for religion.  And i didnt say just atheism, but also anti-theism. I guess those 2 are hard to divide today among internet warrior atheists, huh?

And if one is anti theist, he could (out of his hatred) persecute and or/eventually kill religious people. Just like if someone was a fundamentalist or extremist.

OK you admit there is no logical one, and you describe an emotional pathway. Now for the follow up question. Was it logical and/or objectively moral for the jews to slaughter the amalukites when ordered to do so by god?

I admited there was no logical pathway in the defintion of atheismm, which is true for religion as well. But you can find a pathway for killing from almost any belief or ideology, it doesnt mean that the ideology supports the killing. 

To answer your question (which has nothing to do with the topic, but I'll bite just this once), yes it was logical seeing as how the Old Testament (the orthodox jeish part) promotes eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. Amaleks attacked, killed, pillaged and persecuted Jews millions times before, and were given the second chance multiple times, and they did not repent. So i'd say that story promotes Wrath of God and equal punishment, rather than just mindless slaughter of unbelievers (which I assume was what you were getting at?)

Ok. And what about the amalek women and children who were supposedly slaughtered too.

"2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

And what about those innocent camels and oxes, what did they ever do to deserve getting killed (If they weren't to be eaten) :(

Is this moral because god commanded it? Was it a logcal thing to follow god's command?


nope the bible is pretty mindless.



Player1x3 on 31 December 2012
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


If he was also an anti theist, then yes, I would probably. So far, most if not all of them were, so yeah, theres a logical pathway

If there is a logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, could you please explain it.


In the denfinition of atheism, no. But same goes for religion.  And i didnt say just atheism, but also anti-theism. I guess those 2 are hard to divide today among internet warrior atheists, huh?

And if one is anti theist, he could (out of his hatred) persecute and or/eventually kill religious people. Just like if someone was a fundamentalist or extremist.

OK you admit there is no logical one, and you describe an emotional pathway. Now for the follow up question. Was it logical and/or objectively moral for the jews to slaughter the amalukites when ordered to do so by god?

I admited there was no logical pathway in the defintion of atheismm, which is true for religion as well. But you can find a pathway for killing from almost any belief or ideology, it doesnt mean that the ideology supports the killing. 

To answer your question (which has nothing to do with the topic, but I'll bite just this once), yes it was logical seeing as how the Old Testament (the orthodox jeish part) promotes eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. Amaleks attacked, killed, pillaged and persecuted Jews millions times before, and were given the second chance multiple times, and they did not repent. So i'd say that story promotes Wrath of God and equal punishment, rather than just mindless slaughter of unbelievers (which I assume was what you were getting at?)

Ok. And what about the amalek women and children who were supposedly slaughtered too.

"2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

And what about those innocent camels and oxes, what did they ever do to deserve getting killed (If they weren't to be eaten) :(

Is this moral because god commanded it? Was it a logcal thing to follow god's command?


Like i said before, eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. This was the concept of law that was very popular on Middle East, not just among abrahamic followers, and its not exclusive to any religion. If they slaughtered their wives and children, their own wives and childeren had to be slaughtered too. I am not saying I agree with it, but that was the accepted ethic back then and it wasnt ony exclusive to a jewish religion.



Player1x3 on 31 December 2012
spaceguy said:
KungKras said:

Ok. And what about the amalek women and children who were supposedly slaughtered too.

"2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

And what about those innocent camels and oxes, what did they ever do to deserve getting killed (If they weren't to be eaten) :(

Is this moral because god commanded it? Was it a logcal thing to follow god's command?


nope the bible is pretty mindless.

Amaleks arent part of the Christian Bible, but nice try tho.