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CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Are all of your gaming friends on Xbox Live?

No, but many of them are. 

Strike 1

What games do you mainly play on Xbox Live?

I am sure we've paid for live for the same reasons which is beyond our control if we like their games.

Gears of War and (used to be) F.E.A.R. Not sure how that's a bad thing though...


1 of 2. Also, I've come to the conclusion that if you're a gamer the top shooters are an admission fee to the party. It's like paying for their top exclusives twice in a year. I myself last year paid for the Gears 3 game + Season Pass + Xbox Live = Should I bend over further, Microsoft? :)



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Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
It already is.

The fact that someone decides to give away something almost similar for free is irrelevant.

Don't value it? Then don't pay for it. Simple.

It is unquestionable because if you want to go online you have no choice but to pay the fee. This fact alone means most people need to justify paying for a service that is needed to get 100% out of the product. 

Microsoft are on to a winner here. 

Don't forget online games exclusive to PS3 and Wii are bad. This makes the superior online games found on 360 more desireable. Millions of people rather pay to play the games they enjoy rather than settle with something free.


i play uncharted 3 regularly online and never have issues finding matches...

even starhawk even though it sold poorly has a very dedicated community which i play with from time to time 

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


The same top game is on top on both consoles. COD is dominating on both consoles.



Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
It already is.

The fact that someone decides to give away something almost similar for free is irrelevant.

Don't value it? Then don't pay for it. Simple.

It is unquestionable because if you want to go online you have no choice but to pay the fee. This fact alone means most people need to justify paying for a service that is needed to get 100% out of the product. 

Microsoft are on to a winner here. 

Don't forget online games exclusive to PS3 and Wii are bad. This makes the superior online games found on 360 more desireable. Millions of people rather pay to play the games they enjoy rather than settle with something free.


i play uncharted 3 regularly online and never have issues finding matches...

even starhawk even though it sold poorly has a very dedicated community which i play with from time to time 

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


that sounds like you're taking your own personal opinion and fitting everyone else into your own particular view of things

i've played uncharted 3 online just about everytime i've turned on my ps3 recently and i enjoy it immensely



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
It already is.

The fact that someone decides to give away something almost similar for free is irrelevant.

Don't value it? Then don't pay for it. Simple.

It is unquestionable because if you want to go online you have no choice but to pay the fee. This fact alone means most people need to justify paying for a service that is needed to get 100% out of the product. 

Microsoft are on to a winner here. 

Don't forget online games exclusive to PS3 and Wii are bad. This makes the superior online games found on 360 more desireable. Millions of people rather pay to play the games they enjoy rather than settle with something free.


i play uncharted 3 regularly online and never have issues finding matches...

even starhawk even though it sold poorly has a very dedicated community which i play with from time to time 

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


The same top game is on top on both consoles. COD is dominating on both consoles.

Right, and that's kinda the problem for PS3. The good online games on PS3 are also on the 360.

That means the 360 has the best online games on PS3 and great exclusives. Which is part of the reason Live is so appealing to millions.



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o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


that sounds like you're taking your own personal opinion and fitting everyone else into your own particular view of things

i've played uncharted 3 online just about everytime i've turned on my ps3 recently and i enjoy it immensely

Yeah, maybe its just my opinion.

Uncharted multiplayer is so damn popular they didn't even bother putting it in the Vita release.



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Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
It already is.

The fact that someone decides to give away something almost similar for free is irrelevant.

Don't value it? Then don't pay for it. Simple.

It is unquestionable because if you want to go online you have no choice but to pay the fee. This fact alone means most people need to justify paying for a service that is needed to get 100% out of the product. 

Microsoft are on to a winner here. 

Don't forget online games exclusive to PS3 and Wii are bad. This makes the superior online games found on 360 more desireable. Millions of people rather pay to play the games they enjoy rather than settle with something free.


i play uncharted 3 regularly online and never have issues finding matches...

even starhawk even though it sold poorly has a very dedicated community which i play with from time to time 

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


The same top game is on top on both consoles. COD is dominating on both consoles.

Right, and that's kinda the problem for PS3. The good online games on PS3 are also on the 360.

That means the 360 has the best online games on PS3 and great exclusives. Which is part of the reason Live is so appealing to millions.


Both have the top online games (MW3 and Black ops 2). You're right that the 360 has the best multiplayer exclusives, but Sony is catching up. By next gen they should be on par. Uncharted is getting there, but not quite there yet and Killzone 3's multiplayer needs tweaks and more maps. It also helps for continuity that Sony isnt making outsiders create their top games so longevity is certain.



Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


that sounds like you're taking your own personal opinion and fitting everyone else into your own particular view of things

i've played uncharted 3 online just about everytime i've turned on my ps3 recently and i enjoy it immensely

Yeah, maybe its just my opinion.

Uncharted multiplayer is so damn popular they didn't even bother putting it in the Vita release.

i'd think it more likely that that had more to do with resources and technical issues than popularity



I really hope people keep posting these threads. Not because I think it's crazy for people to pay for XBL or anything. I think if you find it to be a good value than great.

But I really enjoy the posts these create. By some of the replies on here you'd think the OT was insulting someones sister.



I am on somewhat of a treadmill when it comes to Gold. I let it expire, and Microsoft makes me a one month for one dollar offer. Which I instantly accept, and then I have to get online to turn off the automatic renewal. Which turns itself back on whether I want it to or not. Needless to say it is a pain in the ass, and I suspect that is the purpose of their scheme. Make it tedious enough that people procrastinate, and forget to turn the automatic renewal off. Anyway I pay twelve dollars a year, but I have to jump through hoops to get that. So I am getting my moneys worth.

What I want from Microsoft if they are going to ask me to pay more. Is nothing less then original content that can make the best use of the platform. The service is basically hollow, and desperately needs large scale community content for subscribers to enjoy at no additional cost. Microsoft started to pioneer the concept a few years ago with Primetime Games, and then got caught up in apps, and parlaying their revenue stream into acquiring exclusives. Which is all well, and good, but a media hub is only worth so much. Especially when you have that on every internet enabled device on the fucking planet.

Primetime Games was a pretty strong concept, and it showed in the participation they got. Users genuinely want to be part of bigger gaming experiences. It doesn't have to be just game shows, or poker tournaments. They could take that concept, and apply it to other genres. What Microsoft needs to do is create a stable of such big games, and people will be more then satisfied with the service.



o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I didn't say servers on PS3 are empty, I said the PS3 exclusives have bad online play. This causes a lot of people look elsewhere for superior online games.


that sounds like you're taking your own personal opinion and fitting everyone else into your own particular view of things

i've played uncharted 3 online just about everytime i've turned on my ps3 recently and i enjoy it immensely

Yeah, maybe its just my opinion.

Uncharted multiplayer is so damn popular they didn't even bother putting it in the Vita release.

i'd think it more likely that that had more to do with resources and technical issues than popularity

and lack of development time, a different developer, a new system, lack of experience, etc. there an abundance of reasons why it didnt have multiplayer.

obviously uncharted console multiplayer had no bearing on it.