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ethomaz said:
Limited rental service? My over 180 Plus games says hi.

Best service I ever see in a videogame... so much win.


Compare the "free" games to the entire PSN list and yeah, it's limited to what Sony picks for you. You don't even get to keep them if you unsubcribe.



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kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:
Limited rental service? My over 180 Plus games says hi.

Best service I ever see in a videogame... so much win.


Compare the "free" games to the entire PSN list and yeah, it's limited to what Sony picks for you. You don't even get to keep them if you unsubcribe.

I don't think that number limited... just i.

My Plus games list is even bigger because the last time I counted was in May.



kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:
Limited rental service? My over 180 Plus games says hi.

Best service I ever see in a videogame... so much win.


Compare the "free" games to the entire PSN list and yeah, it's limited to what Sony picks for you. You don't even get to keep them if you unsubcribe.

Think of it as a rental service then. It's still incredible value, especially considering most people who subscribe to PS+ keep that subscription going, effectively "renting" games for years and years. Then there's the discounted games, which you keep after the subscription ends. 

I understand if you aren't particularly fond of the service, but there's no disputing its awesomeness. 



ethomaz said:
kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:
Limited rental service? My over 180 Plus games says hi.

Best service I ever see in a videogame... so much win.


Compare the "free" games to the entire PSN list and yeah, it's limited to what Sony picks for you. You don't even get to keep them if you unsubcribe.

I don't think that number limited... just i.

My Plus games list is even bigger because the last time I counted was in May.

I don't want to divert this thread any more than it already has. My original point was that PSN+ isn't as valuable to some as it is to others. I'm glad you like it. I'm not interested. I've stated why enough.



Andrespetmonkey said:
kain_kusanagi said:
ethomaz said:
Limited rental service? My over 180 Plus games says hi.

Best service I ever see in a videogame... so much win.


Compare the "free" games to the entire PSN list and yeah, it's limited to what Sony picks for you. You don't even get to keep them if you unsubcribe.

Think of it as a rental service then. It's still incredible value, especially considering most people who subscribe to PS+ keep that subscription going, effectively "renting" games for years and years. Then there's the discounted games, which you keep after the subscription ends.

I understand if you aren't particularly fond of the service, but there's no disputing its awesomeness.

it's not really incredible value because the value of those games is much less for people who didn't already buy them and you have probably already played some of them if they are good which means you can only count the games you did not play already.

if someone didn't buy a game he could get as retail version for let's say 15 dollars, what do you think the real value of this game is for this guy as digital version he can play as long as he pays for the service? i don't really think you can see a value above a few dollars for this game. i bought the thq humble bundle with saints row the third and other games and i paid 6 dollar for it. not because i am a cheap ass, because the value of this whole bundle wasn't more worth to me. and if i can get 10 games on ps+ of which i already played 5 or so and the other 5 weren't worth a small amount as retail version to me the value of these game as timed digital download is not really worth a lot to me.

it is a fair priced service but i don't really see why so many call it so incredible if they look at how much the value of those games is for them. i mean, if the price is so incredible it means it could cost much more to be still a good price. if it would cost 2-3x as much as it costs right now i think it would flop and almost nobody would pay for it which shows that sony is taking what it's worth for people, not more and not less.



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kain_kusanagi said:


By "extremely limited rental service", I mean the following:

 

Not the entire PSN game list.

Lower your expectations.  You are only paying $50/year for (15) pre-selected titles that rotate, overall giving you ~(22-24) full titles per year. An average of $2/year for a year long rental (If you do not resubscribe). That is ~730 times cheaper than what it would cost you to rent each game at Redbox for an entire year at their current $2/day price. It's incredible value.

 

Limited to what Sony picks for you.

Selection of (15) titles for free throughout the length of your subscription is better than no games, am I right?

 

If you miss a month you are S.O.L.

No you do not. If you miss a month the games can no longer be started up from the XMB. However, once you resubscribe those titles are again enabled for you to play. I am fairly positive this is how it works.

 

As for the "keep forever" sales you are talking about. Sure that's nice, but Origin, Steam, XBLA, and Wiiware all have sales and you don't have to subscribe to access them. XBLA does have a few Gold only sales very rarely, but I just don't see the point of paying for access to sales. It's like buying a coupon book for the grocery store without getting to peak inside first.

Many sales are available to non-Plus users. The difference is that a normal PSN user will see a $20 game reduced to $15 for the duration of the sale while the Plus user will get the same game for $5-$10.

 

I'd conside PSN+ if it had at least one of the following:

 

Full access to entire catalog games at all times (With or without a limit to how many you can play at a time) Like Netflix

For $50/year you're expecting way too much. Something like that would need to run you at least $20/month. You should sign up for GameFly @ $17/month for 1 rental at a time.

 

Full perminent ownership of games.

Once again, you are expecting way too much. Download any and all games for $50/year and you keep all games? How would SONY make any money that way? People would buy a console, pay $8 for one month of Plus and download the entire library and then cancel.

 

Exclusive games that I want and will never be able to get anywhere else.

That goes for any console does it not? PSN has plenty of exclusive titles and PS+ users often get heavy discounts on them.

 

As of right now I see no value in PSN+ for myself. I will stick to buying physical copies when ever possible and buying the occasional digital only when one catches my or or is on sale.

Nothing wrong with that. I am in the same boat and am waiting for a selection of titles that interest me before I dive in.





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kain_kusanagi said:

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By "extremely limited rental service", I mean the following:

Not the entire PSN game list.

Limited to what Sony picks for you.

If you miss a month you are S.O.L.

 

As for the "keep forever" sales you are talking about. Sure that's nice, but Origin, Steam, XBLA, and Wiiware all have sales and you don't have to subscribe to access them. XBLA does have a few Gold only sales very rarely, but I just don't see the point of paying for access to sales. It's like buying a coupon book for the grocery store without getting to peak inside first.

I'd conside PSN+ if it had at least one of the following:

Full access to entire catalog games at all times (With or without a limit to how many you can play at a time) Like Netflix

Full perminent ownership of games.

Exclusive games that I want and will never be able to get anywhere else.

 

As of right now I see no value in PSN+ for myself. I will stick to buying physical copies when ever possible and buying the occasional digital only when one catches my or or is on sale.

netflix streaming is not in any way even close to giving full access to the entire catalog of movies and shows that exist in their disc  based service. i could list thousands of movies and shows not in the services but i won't waste your time.

you get movies and shows limited to what netflix picks for your. ...just like ps+.  

at any given time psn+ has 10-15 games available AND continuing access to previously accessible games (it sucked for me when netflix pulled dexter before i was done watching).

if you don't like subscriptions services....cool.  but ps+ is a subscription service just like netflix.  

 

anyhoo.  for me ps+ has been an amazing value.  i'm pretty sold on the ps4 already just to have continued access to this service.



Euphoria14 said:

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lol, looks like i should have finished reading the thread.  euphoria wins breaking down kain's post.