his bias is as strong as yours Chark
so your comment was really unnecessary

I would imagine that one would have actually read most of these articles before posting under this subject. I do not see the need to repost them. All that is needed is for general media feed regarding Nintendo to be compared to the feed regarding Sony and/or Micrsoft.

This site itself is a good exmaple. There is new news coming out regarding the Wii U daily, but the last article to be posted was a negative rumor and all articles before that were either horrible analaysis from Patcher or more negative rumors. On the other hand with all that is going wrong with Vita, this news site has never posted a single negative article about Vita, yet pure basic commentariies and pruchasing deals pop up repeatedly.

I do not see the need for anyone to take my word for it. There is plenty of evidence about anywhere if you've actually looked. It would be difficult if not impossible to find news that slanted in other direction unless it came from a Nintendo fan site.

Kill me from saying this.

But I think the reason that their is no voice from the gamers is because Nintendo isnt a gamers console.

Nintendo is a mass market spam console that got a lot of non gamers to purchase using interesting tec tricks and they are trying to do it again with the Wii U.

You cant expect moms and little kids who are a huge part of the nintendo buyers these days to spend time defending their "impulse purchase of the month" gadget.

More of that, newfound casual audience rubbish. The people you call moms and children are the original traditional gamers. They are the people who made gaming what it is today only now they are called casual and looked at with scorn and disdain for some reason.

Nintendo has always had the audience of youths and parent dating back to the 80s. It only slipped last gen do to lack of software. This gen was back to business as usually.

Then there are the people who grew up with Nintendo's console. The original gamers were either fans of Sega or Nintendo with most SEGA fan's migrating to Nintendo as sells have shown. They haven't disspeared. Nintendo holds the "true" hardcore market and the original market. That is why they have so many sells. It has nothing to do with gimmicks.

I think what StevenKreg is trying to say, is that a large amount of the Wii userbase are the younguns and the older WiiFIt, Play, Sports demograph and these arent the type of people to go on message boards, articles and forums anyway. And LOL to the Sega fans migrated to Ninty consoles, if that was the case, why didnt the N64 and GC sell closer to the Sony systems.

I'm not sure you understand what I mean. Many of us are biased, including myself, and that is the point. Forget the common attachment that bias is negative or always associated with dishonesty or to be used in order to spin information. I am pointing it out to highlight the objectivity. My first post in this thread claimed that the Vita hate is stronger than the Wii U hate, while I believe if I counted the threads on this site I might be correct, I have a bias towards remembering the negative articles and reading ones that are associated to the platform I most care about. Therefore my exposure to other articles on different systems might be effected and I create a perception that there is an outnumbered amount of hate articles for the Vita.

That is why I brought it up and I meant no ill towards lilbroex. It would be nice to have an analysis of the media to determine the actuality of the "hate" removed of as much bias, concious or not, that is possible.

"My first post in this thread claimed that the Vita hate is stronger than the Wii U hate, while I believe if I counted the threads on this site I might be correct"

then just say the Vita hate is stronger here on VGchartz

the WiiU is getting much more hate from the media than the Vita is getting (actually everybody seemed to agree the Vita would somehow outsell the 3DS, or at least be a fierce competitor), and one is performing poorly and the other is just a promising yet to be released console

Yes exclusive experiences are very significant in the console world. The Wii had a lot of very good new exclusive experiences but the Wii U doesn't seem nearly in the same league. So going back to the topic at hand if the 'hate' is merely a reflection of the fact that these people wanted something 'more' from a next generation console then the disapointment is understandable. Nintendo hasn't exactly shown off to the same extent as they did pre the WIi launch either.

I'm not talking about unknown features; I'm referring to the ones we do know.  Being able to stream your game to the controller to free up the TV... and back again on the fly.  Asymmetrical gameplay where one person uses the gamepad and effects the TV gameplay for other players.  Of course these things will not hold up if innovative ideas aren't there for them, but the point is they haven't been done before.  Furthermore, I think you may be putting too much faith in Smartglass' capabilities.  Can you display a full-fledged console game on the TV and a tablet simultaneously like the Zelda HD from E3 2011?  Can you even stream a full 360 game for play on a tablet at all?  So far, we've only seen the most basic functionality in common on Smartglass; play-calling in Madden, map screens... "half of the functionality" being shared between Smartglass and WiiU is a bit of a stretch to say the least.  And that's to say nothing of the fact that every WiiU owner will have this functionality so all games made for it can take advantage of this.

Regarding your graphics argument, you're overlooking the level of graphics we have now.  The PS1 was among the first systems to successfully delve into polygonal graphics... just as the Atari 2600 and Intellivision were the first for 2D graphics.  Neither has aged well.  However, the NES and the SNES have aged much better... same as the PS2 and how the PS3 will.  Better graphics at a similar price would be great, but that's not how the real world works.  Durango and Orbis would have to be pretty expensive to see a huge leap over the current HD consoles, which is why I believe that Microsoft and Sony will focus on affordable consoles and innovation to stand out next gen.  Microsoft seems more interested in a multimedia hub for the living room.  Sony, we don't know yet.  No reason why even nicer graphics can't come along with that, but I think all three next gen consoles will be close enough to share the same multiplats unlike this gen.

Ok.

I'm confused by if this perception is based on pre launch coverage or current coverage. I don't recall claims that the Vita would sell more than the 3DS and I do remember a few negative articles after the WW delay and the memory card pricing, that was well before the Vita's launch. I don't remember when I read the first Vita will fail article. I am also wondering what constitutes a negative article, as not all of the memory card or WW delay articles on the Vita were negative. Are you including ones about the Wii U's hardware capabilities? Or just ones that claim the Wii U will fail? I would like to have seen this thread bring examples or evidence to the table rather than just opinion and speculation. It's fine if that is all it aims to be but I feel the topic would benefit with more focus.