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zero129 said:
lestatdark said:
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yo_john117 said:

^^Dude for the love of all that is holy can you PLEASE stop going on about what the ME3 devs said about the game. Everyone knows that devs just spew a bunch of PR and taking their word for anything that relates to their game is like trusting a complete stranger to hold on to all of your money.

 

Also I would like to say it's just as much speculation that the Sol Mass Relay could have a big enough explosion to destroy Earth. Mass Relays don't automatically destroy solar systems, they destroy whatever is in their blast radius (which to be fair is pretty freaking big). Basically if there's a Mass Relay waaaay at the end of the solar system (like it is in the Sol system) it probably won't be hitting Earth...especially if Earth is on the opposite side of the sun from the Mass Relay. Like it or not there is a better chance that Earth survived than got destroyed from the explosion.

I didn't want to get back into this with you again... But here we go.

First of all to you're 1st point. That would be all well and good if the game wasn't finished, but since it was and they still flat out lied i think bioware deserves all the backlash they get from fans, Don't you??. think about it?, they knew the game had this shitty A,B,C ending. Yet they told the fans it wouldn't have an A,B,C ending. So was that not flat out lying like i said?, should we all be happy they told us Fans lies??. No we shouldn't that's why they deserve everything they are getting atm. And why they are going to fix it.

Now on to you're 2nd point, That is also speculation on you're behalf as no where in the ME games does it say it doesn't destory a "Whole" solar system. As going by the arrivel DLC it shows it does in fact Destory a whole Solar system. Plus like i said before if you watch the endings again you will see the explusion from them blowing up pretty much devouring the whole soloar system where they are based. So we have facts to go by there, what you are going by is like i said before speculation, Unless you can prove me wrong somehow with proof??, and not just speculation....

You've got to pay a little more attention to both the Codex and the dialogues on Arrival. They say that a relay exploding releases the energy equivalent of a Supernova and Supernovas don't exactly destroy a whole system, especially since most of them collapse after a set energy has been released. See the formation of black holes, neutron stars (commonly known as Pulsars) and other Supernova related phenomenae in RL. And since the existance of planets surrounding neutron stars have been confirmed ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17732735http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007MNRAS.381L...1L), there's the possibility that not all planets would have been destroyed with a Relay explosion.

Ok so maybe a few planets might of survived, but do you really think shaperd would of took that chance??, its way out of charactor for him to accept the choices he was giving by that dumb star kid.

I agree with you and I don't think that the relays exploding as they did wasn't really well thought off. Now, I think the developers wanted to convey that everything related to the technology left behind by the reapers has to dissapear completely in order for the species to follow their own technological paths instead of those pre-ordained by the Reapers themselves, but the execution caused a bit of problems based on the Lore. 

Then again, I've taken the time to look closely at the differences between the Alpha Relay explosion scenes, and the ending Relays explosion scenes and there are quite some differences, but there's one I think it's the most important of all. When the asteroid hits the Alpha Relay, you see it destroying the rings that support the massive Eezo core and then the core itself undergoing a massive chain reaction that culminates into the nova itself; on the contrary, in the endings, the Eezo cores of the relays don't undergo a chain reaction, but instead you see the relays powering up massively and shooting the entire content of the core into a next Relay, like they do when a ship travels through them. When the Relays finally explode, there's no Eezo core in it, which undoubtly would have caused a far smaller explosion.



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zero129 said:
Euphoria14 said:
zero129 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
zero129 said:
The is just way too many loop holes in this endings. And i wouldn't mind paying for DLC with a real ending. It's just after so long of waiting for the grand final, all hopes up expecting a great finish to a great series. and we get an ending like this -_- . Bioware let me down big time with this..


If they let you down, don't reward them with more money for ending DLC (as if they'd even release that). 

I would have to, just to get some closer after investing so many years and hours into this series. I hate what bioware has become with a passion.

Then what stops other developers from thinking "Oh damn, check it out! If we give people incomplete endings we can get extra money later on with the "REAL" ending being DLC."

Welcome to the era of paying $60 for a game and then another $10 for the ending and gamers would have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

Don't like their product? Then just say "fuck it" and move on.

Best way to voice your opinion on this is to vote with your wallet, and I mean by NOT spending what's in it.

I really do get what you are saying, and maybe this was EA's plan all along. And if it was any other game i wouldnt care. But with me 3 i just need to know what happened, i put so much time into this trilogy.

If it was EA's plan all along then unfortunately you are going to let them win and whether you would care or not with any other game, it still serves as a big time wake up call to all other developers out there. To think we don't like the idea of on disc DLC. This could be far worse and I wouldn't blame the devs for taking the chance we are so willing to give them.

I also doubt any DLC you get will solve the problem of your choices from ME1 and ME2 having little to no bearing on the ending in ME3.

 

Not to say you can't do what you want but I just caution everyone to think of the potential consequences of these actions, and all just for an ending to one video game.



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zero129 said:
Euphoria14 said:

If it was EA's plan all along then unfortunately you are going to let them win and whether you would care or not with any other game, it still serves as a big time wake up call to all other developers out there. To think we don't like the idea of on disc DLC. This could be far worse and I wouldn't blame the devs for taking the chance we are so willing to give them.

I also doubt any DLC you get will solve the problem of your choices from ME1 and ME2 having little to no bearing on the ending in ME3.

 

Not to say you can't do what you want but I just caution everyone to think of the potential consequences of these actions, and all just for an ending to one video game.

That's true, unless the extended/Edited ending is free?, if it's not i wont buy it, and instead i will just download a crack for my Me3, and then download a copy of the DLC ending. And i think if they do charge for the extra ending they will be in an even bigger shit storm then they are now. Imo EA might of been planning to charge for the extra endings DLC at first, but with everything that's been going on i think they will have to thing twice about it now, but that's just my opinion.

I think EA knows that if they charge for the DLC many will complain, but on the other hand they also know that many will pay for it.

I am of the belief that EA will charge for it. If it were me I would too.

 

I totally support your idea of downloading a crack and a copy of the DLC ending though.



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I do not know if this is 100% real, but I'll post it. Patrick Weeks, BioWare writer, is alleged to have posted on the Penny Arcade forums a post detailing how the ending came about, the post has been removed and it is claimed by BioWare that it did not originate from Weeks, however, the post did come from  Patrick Weeks'accound, Takyris, on the PA forums.

Here is the post:

I have nothing to do with the ending beyond a) having argued successfully a long time ago that we needed a chance to say goodbye to our squad, b) having argued successfully that Cortez shouldn’t automatically die in that shuttle crash, and c) having written Tali’s goodbye bit, as well as a couple of the holo-goodbyes for people I wrote (Mordin, Kasumi, Jack, etc).

No other writer did, either, except for our lead. This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft.

And honestly, it kind of shows.

Every other mission in the game had to be held up to the rest of the writing team, and the writing team then picked it apart and made suggestions and pointed out the parts that made no sense. This mission? Casey and our lead deciding that they didn’t need to be peer-reviewe.d

And again, it shows.

If you’d asked me the themes of Mass Effect 3, I’d break them down as:

Galactic Alliances

Friends

Organics versus Synthetics

In my personal opinion, the first two got a perfunctory nod. We did get a goodbye to our friends, but it was in a scene that was divorced from the gameplay — a deliberate “nothing happens here” area with one turret thrown in for no reason I really understand, except possibly to obfuscate the “nothing happens here”-ness. The best missions in our game are the ones in which the gameplay and the narrative reinforce each other. The end of the Genophage campaign exemplifies that for me — every line of dialog is showing you both sides of the krogan, be they horrible brutes or proud warriors; the art shows both their bombed-out wasteland and the beautiful world they once had and could have again; the combat shows the terror of the Reapers as well as a blatant reminder of the rachni, which threatened the galaxy and had to be stopped by the krogan last time. Every line of code in that mission is on target with the overall message.

The endgame doesn’t have that. I wanted to see banshees attacking you, and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow them away. I wanted to see a wave of rachni ravagers come around a corner only to be met by a wall of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here’s the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here’s the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them.

I personally thought that the Illusive Man conversation was about twice as long as it needed to be — something that I’ve been told in my peer reviews of my missions and made edits on, but again, this is a conversation no writer but the lead ever saw until it was already recorded. I did love Anderson’s goodbye.

For me, Anderson’s goodbye is where it ended. The stuff with the Catalyst just… You have to understand. Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he’s not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t love it.

And then, just to be a dick… what was SUPPOSED to happen was that, say you picked “Destroy the Reapers”. When you did that, the system was SUPPOSED to look at your score, and then you’d show a cutscene of Earth that was either:

a) Very high score: Earth obviously damaged, but woo victory

b) Medium score: Earth takes a bunch of damage from the Crucible activation. Like dropping a bomb on an already war-ravaged city. Uh, well, maybe not LIKE that as much as, uh, THAT.

c) Low score: Earth is a cinderblock, all life on it completely wiped out

I have NO IDEA why these different cutscenes aren’t in there. As far as I know, they were never cut. Maybe they were cut for budget reasons at the last minute. I don’t know. But holy crap, yeah, I can see how incredibly disappointing it’d be to hear of all the different ending possibilities and have it break down to “which color is stuff glowing?” Or maybe they ARE in, but they’re too subtle to really see obvious differences, and again, that’s… yeah.

Okay, that’s a lot to have written for something that’s gonna go away in an hour.

I still teared up at the ending myself, but really, I was tearing up for the quick flashbacks to old friends and the death of Anderson. I wasn’t tearing up over making a choice that, as it turned out, didn’t have enough cutscene differentiation on it.

And to be clear, I don’t even really wish Shepard had gotten a ride-off-into-sunset ending. I was honestly okay with Shepard sacrificing himself. I just expected it to be for something with more obvious differentiation, and a stronger tie to the core themes — all three of them. 

Source Gameranx, Gamerant. 

Since then, Mr. Weeks has gone on vacation, according to his Twitter.



zero129 said:
Rhonin the wizard said:

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Damn i seen this already on another site. But i didn't know he went on vacation, i hope bioware didn't fire him, cos if they di they lost one of the best writers they had. It also explains alot about the ending since casey was the one who came up with it himself.

You know you don't have to quote the entire post? It makes the thread harder to scroll.



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zero129 said:
lestatdark said:

Ok so maybe a few planets might of survived, but do you really think shaperd would of took that chance??, its way out of charactor for him to accept the choices he was giving by that dumb star kid.

I agree with you and I don't think that the relays exploding as they did wasn't really well thought off. Now, I think the developers wanted to convey that everything related to the technology left behind by the reapers has to dissapear completely in order for the species to follow their own technological paths instead of those pre-ordained by the Reapers themselves, but the execution caused a bit of problems based on the Lore. 

Then again, I've taken the time to look closely at the differences between the Alpha Relay explosion scenes, and the ending Relays explosion scenes and there are quite some differences, but there's one I think it's the most important of all. When the asteroid hits the Alpha Relay, you see it destroying the rings that support the massive Eezo core and then the core itself undergoing a massive chain reaction that culminates into the nova itself; on the contrary, in the endings, the Eezo cores of the relays don't undergo a chain reaction, but instead you see the relays powering up massively and shooting the entire content of the core into a next Relay, like they do when a ship travels through them. When the Relays finally explode, there's no Eezo core in it, which undoubtly would have caused a far smaller explosion.

I can't really dissagree with much of what you said, one cos it all pretty much sounds good and 2 cos im drunk lol xD. But the is one thing, you also see that Relay beem spreading out in a big circle as it hits each relay, now i could be wrong put id imagine that's the enargy destorying whatever isin its path at that stage, and them circles are big.

The circle that spreads out is not an explosion but the thing that destroys, synthesis's or controls the Reapers. There's no way that was the explosion because that would mean there would be no life left in the galaxy at all because those energy circles are many hundreds of thousands of times bigger than solar systems.

But to reply to your quote of me above:

Regardless of when, how, where or what a dev says they are not to be trusted when they talk about their game. It really is that simple. Are they stupid heads for saying something like that so close to launch? Definitely. But you need to let that part go because Devs lie, it's part of the gaming cycle. 

Lestadark replied to the other part perfectly so I don't need to expand on that.



zero129 said:
lestatdark said:
zero129 said:
lestatdark said:
zero129 said:
yo_john117 said:

^^Dude for the love of all that is holy can you PLEASE stop going on about what the ME3 devs said about the game. Everyone knows that devs just spew a bunch of PR and taking their word for anything that relates to their game is like trusting a complete stranger to hold on to all of your money.

 

Also I would like to say it's just as much speculation that the Sol Mass Relay could have a big enough explosion to destroy Earth. Mass Relays don't automatically destroy solar systems, they destroy whatever is in their blast radius (which to be fair is pretty freaking big). Basically if there's a Mass Relay waaaay at the end of the solar system (like it is in the Sol system) it probably won't be hitting Earth...especially if Earth is on the opposite side of the sun from the Mass Relay. Like it or not there is a better chance that Earth survived than got destroyed from the explosion.

I didn't want to get back into this with you again... But here we go.

First of all to you're 1st point. That would be all well and good if the game wasn't finished, but since it was and they still flat out lied i think bioware deserves all the backlash they get from fans, Don't you??. think about it?, they knew the game had this shitty A,B,C ending. Yet they told the fans it wouldn't have an A,B,C ending. So was that not flat out lying like i said?, should we all be happy they told us Fans lies??. No we shouldn't that's why they deserve everything they are getting atm. And why they are going to fix it.

Now on to you're 2nd point, That is also speculation on you're behalf as no where in the ME games does it say it doesn't destory a "Whole" solar system. As going by the arrivel DLC it shows it does in fact Destory a whole Solar system. Plus like i said before if you watch the endings again you will see the explusion from them blowing up pretty much devouring the whole soloar system where they are based. So we have facts to go by there, what you are going by is like i said before speculation, Unless you can prove me wrong somehow with proof??, and not just speculation....

You've got to pay a little more attention to both the Codex and the dialogues on Arrival. They say that a relay exploding releases the energy equivalent of a Supernova and Supernovas don't exactly destroy a whole system, especially since most of them collapse after a set energy has been released. See the formation of black holes, neutron stars (commonly known as Pulsars) and other Supernova related phenomenae in RL. And since the existance of planets surrounding neutron stars have been confirmed ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17732735http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007MNRAS.381L...1L), there's the possibility that not all planets would have been destroyed with a Relay explosion.

Ok so maybe a few planets might of survived, but do you really think shaperd would of took that chance??, its way out of charactor for him to accept the choices he was giving by that dumb star kid.

I agree with you and I don't think that the relays exploding as they did wasn't really well thought off. Now, I think the developers wanted to convey that everything related to the technology left behind by the reapers has to dissapear completely in order for the species to follow their own technological paths instead of those pre-ordained by the Reapers themselves, but the execution caused a bit of problems based on the Lore. 

Then again, I've taken the time to look closely at the differences between the Alpha Relay explosion scenes, and the ending Relays explosion scenes and there are quite some differences, but there's one I think it's the most important of all. When the asteroid hits the Alpha Relay, you see it destroying the rings that support the massive Eezo core and then the core itself undergoing a massive chain reaction that culminates into the nova itself; on the contrary, in the endings, the Eezo cores of the relays don't undergo a chain reaction, but instead you see the relays powering up massively and shooting the entire content of the core into a next Relay, like they do when a ship travels through them. When the Relays finally explode, there's no Eezo core in it, which undoubtly would have caused a far smaller explosion.

I can't really dissagree with much of what you said, one cos it all pretty much sounds good and 2 cos im drunk lol xD. But the is one thing, you also see that Relay beem spreading out in a big circle as it hits each relay, now i could be wrong put id imagine that's the enargy destorying whatever isin its path at that stage, and them circles are big.

What composes the energy circles themselves is a mistery and one of the many things that trully baffled me in the ending (due to lack of explanation), but I don't think it's the same kind of energy released when the Alpha Relay was destroyed. It might be expanded Dark Energy since that's what basically composes the Crucible and that's what it releases in each ending, but anyone's guess is as good as any. 



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Wait, wait. The Crucible releases Dark Energy? The stuff that shortens the lifespan of stars has just been spread across the galaxy? Where was this mentioned?



Euphoria14 said:

I think EA knows that if they charge for the DLC many will complain, but on the other hand they also know that many will pay for it.

I am of the belief that EA will charge for it. If it were me I would too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Microsoft have a policy of not allowing free DLC on Live?



Rhonin the wizard said:
Wait, wait. The Crucible releases Dark Energy? The stuff that shortens the lifespan of stars has just been spread across the galaxy? Where was this mentioned?

Vendetta, the Protean VI, says that the Crucible is basically a giant generator of Dark Energy



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