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MontanaHatchet on 10 December 2011

Looking back, I regret not buying more games for either system. There were a lot of fantastic titles I missed out for on both the original Xbox and the Gamecube. That being said, it made me laugh to see that Microsoft bragged about Halo outselling Luigi's Mansion. Perspective is paramount.



 

 

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man-bear-pig on 10 December 2011
Red4ADevil said:
But in the end, Nintendo managed to make profit; unlike Microsoft, they lost 4 billion with the xbox. Xbox production was ceased after just four years on the market.

holy shitballs!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could they lose 4 billion :O



My prediction threads:

Wii U will sell under 40m units (made on 14th September 2012)

PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015

MontanaHatchet on 10 December 2011
man-bear-pig said:
Red4ADevil said:
But in the end, Nintendo managed to make profit; unlike Microsoft, they lost 4 billion with the xbox. Xbox production was ceased after just four years on the market.

holy shitballs!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could they lose 4 billion :O

Development of the Xbox costs tons of money. The system itself was sold at a pretty big loss (consider the level of technology it had at the time combined with its media features). This might have been fine if Microsoft had been able to sell large amounts of software to offset their losses on the hardware. However, they only had one big series at the time (Halo), and that didn't even manage to sell as well (at the time) as Sony's Gran Turismo series. Meanwhile, Microsoft paid $375 million dollars for Rare, who would go on to make some of the worst and most embarrassing games of the generation.

Essentially, their overall investments have been FAR superior with the Xbox 360.



 

 

man-bear-pig on 10 December 2011
MontanaHatchet said:
man-bear-pig said:
Red4ADevil said:
But in the end, Nintendo managed to make profit; unlike Microsoft, they lost 4 billion with the xbox. Xbox production was ceased after just four years on the market.

holy shitballs!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could they lose 4 billion :O

Development of the Xbox costs tons of money. The system itself was sold at a pretty big loss (consider the level of technology it had at the time combined with its media features). This might have been fine if Microsoft had been able to sell large amounts of software to offset their losses on the hardware. However, they only had one big series at the time (Halo), and that didn't even manage to sell as well (at the time) as Sony's Gran Turismo series. Meanwhile, Microsoft paid $375 million dollars for Rare, who would go on to make some of the worst and most embarrassing games of the generation.

Essentially, their overall investments have been FAR superior with the Xbox 360.

wow, thanks for that. ive never even heard of rare :P are they making money nowadays?



My prediction threads:

Wii U will sell under 40m units (made on 14th September 2012)

PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015

Seece on 10 December 2011
man-bear-pig said:
MontanaHatchet said:
man-bear-pig said:
Red4ADevil said:
But in the end, Nintendo managed to make profit; unlike Microsoft, they lost 4 billion with the xbox. Xbox production was ceased after just four years on the market.

holy shitballs!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could they lose 4 billion :O

Development of the Xbox costs tons of money. The system itself was sold at a pretty big loss (consider the level of technology it had at the time combined with its media features). This might have been fine if Microsoft had been able to sell large amounts of software to offset their losses on the hardware. However, they only had one big series at the time (Halo), and that didn't even manage to sell as well (at the time) as Sony's Gran Turismo series. Meanwhile, Microsoft paid $375 million dollars for Rare, who would go on to make some of the worst and most embarrassing games of the generation.

Essentially, their overall investments have been FAR superior with the Xbox 360.

wow, thanks for that. ive never even heard of rare :P are they making money nowadays?

Which? Rare or Microsoft Gaming Division? (which is Entertainment and Devices division) Rare are probably not even close to being profitable for Microsoft, that said they didn't buy them for profit, they needed a backbone to their first party line up along with Turn 10, Bungie and Lionhead. They've probably done very well lately though, Kinect Sports franchise is probably over 5 million shipped now, and they worked on Avatars. Not many people realise but they have a say/help with the Xbox OS as well.

EDD made 1.3B profit last year, and 3B profit since they started profiting (which was when Mattrick came in)



 

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sethnintendo on 10 December 2011
Red4ADevil said:

At least a little bit. If Sony, as well as many others, and Nintendo were able to
turn a profit with their first console, then why couldn't Microsoft. But I guess that was the price for creating a powerfull console (at the time) with PC-like hardware. It was a cool console nonetheless-both were.


Thus hammering home the point that Microsoft never really cared about video game systems.  They view home console systems the same as computers (except apparently with worse offering).  Microsoft was mainly scared of Sony taking over the living room and turning their video game system into multimedia equipment they are now.  Basically, I don't think Sony or Microsoft really care that much about the video game market.  It is mainly about putting their products into every living room with video games as an almost afterthought (it isn't like this totally now but it grows more and more).  Now you have to install games to play them on video game consoles (one thing video game consoles always trumped PC in that you didn't have to install the damn game and worry about specs (at least you don't have to worry about specs right now).  Also, fuck paying to play for online gaming.   I am going on a little rant but this is how I view both Microsoft and Sony. 



miz1q2w3e on 10 December 2011
sethnintendo said:
Red4ADevil said:

At least a little bit. If Sony, as well as many others, and Nintendo were able to
turn a profit with their first console, then why couldn't Microsoft. But I guess that was the price for creating a powerfull console (at the time) with PC-like hardware. It was a cool console nonetheless-both were.


Thus hammering home the point that Microsoft never really cared about video game systems.  They view home console video game systems the same as computers (except apparently with worse offering).  Microsoft was mainly scared of Sony taking of the living room and turning their video game system into multimedia equipment they are now.  Basically I don't think Sony or Microsoft really care that much about the video game market.  It is mainly about putting their products into every living room with video games as an almost afterthought (it isn't like this totally now but it grows more and more).  Now you have to install games to play them on video game consoles (one thing video game consoles always trumped PC in that you didn't have to install the damn game and worry about specs (at least you don't have to worry about specs right now).  Also, fuck paying to play for online gaming.   I am going on a little rant but this is how I view both Microsoft and Sony. 

We're certainly getting there, even now you almost kinda do, some games require an HDD install or run better with one



dark_gh0st_b0y on 10 December 2011

GC is such a cute console, and with epic Tales of Symphonia and Pokemon Colosseum

funniest blast will be from 2006!!



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

man-bear-pig on 10 December 2011
Seece said:
man-bear-pig said:
MontanaHatchet said:
man-bear-pig said:
Red4ADevil said:
But in the end, Nintendo managed to make profit; unlike Microsoft, they lost 4 billion with the xbox. Xbox production was ceased after just four years on the market.

holy shitballs!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could they lose 4 billion :O

Development of the Xbox costs tons of money. The system itself was sold at a pretty big loss (consider the level of technology it had at the time combined with its media features). This might have been fine if Microsoft had been able to sell large amounts of software to offset their losses on the hardware. However, they only had one big series at the time (Halo), and that didn't even manage to sell as well (at the time) as Sony's Gran Turismo series. Meanwhile, Microsoft paid $375 million dollars for Rare, who would go on to make some of the worst and most embarrassing games of the generation.

Essentially, their overall investments have been FAR superior with the Xbox 360.

wow, thanks for that. ive never even heard of rare :P are they making money nowadays?

Which? Rare or Microsoft Gaming Division? (which is Entertainment and Devices division) Rare are probably not even close to being profitable for Microsoft, that said they didn't buy them for profit, they needed a backbone to their first party line up along with Turn 10, Bungie and Lionhead. They've probably done very well lately though, Kinect Sports franchise is probably over 5 million shipped now, and they worked on Avatars. Not many people realise but they have a say/help with the Xbox OS as well.

EDD made 1.3B profit last year, and 3B profit since they started profiting (which was when Mattrick came in)

wow, impressive, thanks! 

i wonder what happened to pikmin, i used to love that game.



My prediction threads:

Wii U will sell under 40m units (made on 14th September 2012)

PS Vita will sell under 20m units (made on 30th September 2012)

Wii U will sell under 7m in 2013 - I was right

Halo 4 first 9 weeks sales prediction

PS4 to be down YOY in 2015

miz1q2w3e on 10 December 2011
man-bear-pig said:

wow, impressive, thanks! 

i wonder what happened to pikmin, i used to love that game.

A sequel has been in the works for quite some time now (Nintendo announced they were working on it a few years back but they haven't shown anythign yet

It's coming for sure though, might be on WiiU (I heard s rumor or something)