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Nsanity said:
Again, NPD doesnt track all of Americas nor does it include those bundled with hardware.


VGZ have it around 6.7m in all of NA till Sep 2011. Lets add 600k to 4.7 and its 5.3 in all of Americas. The recent bundles have been digital copies and i dont think MS bundled almost 1.5m retail copies of Reach in NA. Even in best case its overtracked by 1m which will mean 500k bundles.



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Nice to have clarification on it. Thanks ioi!



                            

shanbcn said:
Nsanity said:
Again, NPD doesnt track all of Americas nor does it include those bundled with hardware.


VGZ have it around 6.7m in all of NA till Sep 2011. Lets add 600k to 4.7 and its 5.3 in all of Americas. The recent bundles have been digital copies and i dont think MS bundled almost 1.5m retail copies of Reach in NA. Even in best case its overtracked by 1m which will mean 500k bundles.

Your doing it slightly wrong. First you need to add in all of the Halo Reach special edition bundles to the NA numbers (of which there were a ton lik ioi said) But before I get started I have to say, like you there is going to be a lot of assumptions (because we really don't know)

 

So first off we take 4.75 for the US numbers then add in about 500k of the Reach bundles (that's on the low end of things) so that's 5.5 million off totally assumed sales in US now do the vgchartz ratio thing of 13% (which we don't know is actually that accurate) so that's 700k consoles sold elsewhere in the Americas and you get 6.2 million sold in Americas

 

So worst case for these guesswork numbers would about 500k overtracked. 

 

But really it's all just guesswork and worthless assumptions between the both of us since our numbers depend on how much Halo Reach has sold off of bundles and what the ratio for the US vs the rest of the Americas are, neither of which we know. So could it be 1 million units overtracked? Yes, but it could also be tracked perfectly...we just don't know.



yo_john117 said:
shanbcn said:
Nsanity said:
Again, NPD doesnt track all of Americas nor does it include those bundled with hardware.


VGZ have it around 6.7m in all of NA till Sep 2011. Lets add 600k to 4.7 and its 5.3 in all of Americas. The recent bundles have been digital copies and i dont think MS bundled almost 1.5m retail copies of Reach in NA. Even in best case its overtracked by 1m which will mean 500k bundles.

 

Your doing it slightly wrong. First you need to add in all of the Halo Reach special edition bundles to the NA numbers (of which there were a ton lik ioi said) But before I get started I have to say, like you there is going to be a lot of assumptions (because we really don't know)

 

So first off we take 4.75 for the US numbers then add in about 500k of the Reach bundles (that's on the low end of things) so that's 5.5 million off totally assumed sales in US now do the vgchartz ratio thing of 13% (which we don't know is actually that accurate) so that's 700k consoles sold elsewhere in the Americas and you get 6.2 million sold in Americas

 

So worst case for these guesswork numbers would about 500k overtracked. 

 

But really it's all just guesswork and worthless assumptions between the both of us since our numbers depend on how much Halo Reach has sold off of bundles and what the ratio for the US vs the rest of the Americas are, neither of which we know. So could it be 1 million units overtracked? Yes, but it could also be tracked perfectly...we just don't know.

 


hmm okay but when you take the low end (500k) and then you have 5.5 up from 4.75 why don't you directly take 750k which would end up a s5.5 as well and you shouldn't have to take the low end lool

 

 i mean you took 50% higher sales in that calculation with that. that's not nothing that's 50% more bundles than you were talking about.



crissindahouse said:
yo_john117 said:
shanbcn said:
Nsanity said:
Again, NPD doesnt track all of Americas nor does it include those bundled with hardware.


VGZ have it around 6.7m in all of NA till Sep 2011. Lets add 600k to 4.7 and its 5.3 in all of Americas. The recent bundles have been digital copies and i dont think MS bundled almost 1.5m retail copies of Reach in NA. Even in best case its overtracked by 1m which will mean 500k bundles.

 

Your doing it slightly wrong. First you need to add in all of the Halo Reach special edition bundles to the NA numbers (of which there were a ton lik ioi said) But before I get started I have to say, like you there is going to be a lot of assumptions (because we really don't know)

 

So first off we take 4.75 for the US numbers then add in about 500k of the Reach bundles (that's on the low end of things) so that's 5.5 million off totally assumed sales in US now do the vgchartz ratio thing of 13% (which we don't know is actually that accurate) so that's 700k consoles sold elsewhere in the Americas and you get 6.2 million sold in Americas

 

So worst case for these guesswork numbers would about 500k overtracked. 

 

But really it's all just guesswork and worthless assumptions between the both of us since our numbers depend on how much Halo Reach has sold off of bundles and what the ratio for the US vs the rest of the Americas are, neither of which we know. So could it be 1 million units overtracked? Yes, but it could also be tracked perfectly...we just don't know.

 


hmm okay but when you take the low end (500k) and then you have 5.5 up from 4.75 why don't you directly take 750k which would end up a s5.5 as well and you shouldn't have to take the low end lool

 

 i mean you took 50% higher sales in that calculation with that. that's not nothing that's 50% more bundles than you were talking about.

I had two different mindsets going off with that post so that's where the mistake came from.

 

But if you read the bottom paragraph you will see the actual point of that post.



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Any idea when EMEEA charts will come? Maybe today?



i really don't care i just love when people put numbers in a calculation and then calculating with numbers 50% off like it's nothing^^

my signature should show that i don't want to see lower halo sales.



I say, if you can track it because it's bundled... track it. A sale is a sale. For Reach, Alan Wake, and any other game that is bundled with any console.



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Jexy said:
I say, if you can track it because it's bundled... track it. A sale is a sale. For Reach, Alan Wake, and any other game that is bundled with any console.

agree



ZaneWane said:
Jexy said:
I say, if you can track it because it's bundled... track it. A sale is a sale. For Reach, Alan Wake, and any other game that is bundled with any console.

agree

I agree. VGC knows about these console sales so it shouldnt matter if physical disk or not. They dont discard sales of bundled discs that dont get played (we have to Wii Play discs and 1 Kinect Adventures disc that have never been used).  I can see not tracking digital sales (notice I said sales) because no way for VGC to find out that info unless MS, Sony, Nintendo wants to open up the books.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.