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sapphi_snake on 09 November 2011
padib said:

Secularism claims to have brought the emancipation of women. What has feminism brought to our society? Grief mostly! Men can't handle their partners, and many marriages crumble because women don't understand their place. You don't like this? Ask most of the succeeding civilizations that preceeded us what they think about it.

 

Their place?... I think maybe you should understand your place you [censored myself because it's inappropriate for this thread]. It's people like you that make the world suck.



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DélioPT on 09 November 2011

Religion isn`t just a moral system. Religion also means to reconnect. Which would mean reconnect with God, like in a relationship. To me that`s what religion also stands for, in the good and in the bad, not just a question of who gets saved and who doesn`t.

Saying that something like that can be outdated is something i don`t agree with. How can "love one another like i loved thee" be outdated.
Instead of asking if religion is outdated, ask yourself why people stop being religious or, in other words, stay away from God. That`s where you need to look.



theprof00 on 09 November 2011
sapphi_snake said:
RolStoppable said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's neglecting the huge corruption that existed in Eastern Europe, especially the Balkan region, way before Communism. You'll actually find that less religious states (e.g. the Scandinavian ones) are also less corrupt than more religious ones (e.g. Greece, Turkey, Romania).

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I have always thought that nothing good ever came out of Romania.

Ouch. Well, for sure nothing that ever came out of Romania can compare to a certain moustached dictator.

Which one? Now that I think about it, every dictator from wwii era came out of strong religious countries. Russia (Orthodox church), German Catholicism/Christianity, Italy and the Vatican (which actually supported the Reich).

Also they all had mustaches.



Xen on 09 November 2011
theprof00 said:
sapphi_snake said:
RolStoppable said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's neglecting the huge corruption that existed in Eastern Europe, especially the Balkan region, way before Communism. You'll actually find that less religious states (e.g. the Scandinavian ones) are also less corrupt than more religious ones (e.g. Greece, Turkey, Romania).

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I have always thought that nothing good ever came out of Romania.

Ouch. Well, for sure nothing that ever came out of Romania can compare to a certain moustached dictator.

Which one? Now that I think about it, every dictator from wwii era came out of strong religious countries. Russia (Orthodox church), German Catholicism/Christianity, Italy and the Vatican (which actually supported the Reich).

Also they all had mustaches.

Commie Russia? Strongly religious?

News to me.

Not to mention that Hitler was pagan, and Stalin, an atheist.



Andrespetmonkey on 09 November 2011
padib said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

We already know how a society will work without a religion. Look at Sweden, Norway, Finland. It can't possibly just be the 15% of christians in Sweden that are keeping the crime rates among the lowest in the world, the quality of life among the highest, keeping Sweden one of the most peaceful countries in the world and one of the biggest givers of aid per capita.

Infact, look at USA, it's very different over there. One of the least peaceful countries in the world, some of the highest crime rates, and quality of life is comparatively low in the developed world. And look, 75% christians. I'm not saying christianity causes those things, I'm saying religion doesn't guide morality, it can, but it's only one source, we have plenty of sources. 

@bold: Ahaha, you're blaming violence in the USA on christianity. That is deep. Many aplauses to you for that one, a good laugh it was. EDIT: Okay, I see what you mean now, after rereading it 3 times. You mean that even though 75% are christian, there is still much violence there despite it. I'm off to bed again :B

On a more serious note, violence in the US is more likely due to racism (on hispanics, blacks, middle-easterns), gangs, greed, madness and other natural human tendencies. Order in Sweden et al. is only an illusion and will only last for a time. When people get bored of it (which they will in time), you will find anarchy. Like in the UK right now, or signs of it at least.

Lol padib. KEEP READING. Proof of this is all the countries I have mentioned.

"And look, 75% christians. I'm not saying christianity causes those things, I'm saying religion doesn't guide morality, it can, but it's only one source, we have plenty of sources. "

An illusion? anarchy? LOL YOU. ARE. CRAZY.
Just get over the fact that the most peaceful countries in the world, countries with the lowest crime rates and higher quality of life, the most giving countries per person are the countries with the most atheists and agnostics (there is a strong positive correlation).
It's been like this for the last 80 years (excluding the commies ofcouse, but that's the fault of oppression and intolerance rather than atheism, it could happen with any religious viewpoint. Religion was replaced by an oppressive government that wanted the people to treat their government as God, not atheism).

I don't even need to show you actual statistics to prove this to you (like I already did), I'll just let you know that I don't believe in your God or any other, yet I'm not racist, I'm not in a gang nor do I want to be in one, I'm not greedy and I'm not mad. (just like everyother atheist, christian, agnostic, muslim and deist I know).





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Jexy on 09 November 2011
Andrespetmonkey said:
padib said:
Jexy said:
Religion should be a personal thing, between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. And if you want to build a temple to that and be with others like you, that is also great. Just don't force others into your belief system. Religion was an early form of government, a way to keep the peace, and a way to explain everything that happened because science hadn't evolved that far yet. It is useful now as it provides hope when there is little to many around the world, and a sense of being. Plus, many religious groups do a lot of good in the world. But yeah, if you could somehow wipe everyone's minds clean of religion on earth, every war, every ongoing genocide, would cease to be.

@ bold. Very wishful thinking. Did you come up with that or is that what other people told you?

Assuming it's your thought, how can you honestly believe that? Barring religion, what about pride? greed? What of kids fighting as a natural human tendency? What about bloodlust (you know it exists)?

Then there is areligious justice. What happens when an offense is made, how do people react (barring religion)? Taking matters into your hands, if in the scale of a country, means war.

Wow, I'm really amazed at your faith in areligion. I don't buy it though.

We already know how a society will work without a religion. Look at Sweden, Norway, Finland. It can't possibly just be the 15% of christians in Sweden that are keeping the crime rates among the lowest in the world, the quality of life among the highest, keeping Sweden one of the most peaceful countries in the world and one of the biggest givers of aid per capita.

Infact, look at USA, it's very different over there. One of the least peaceful countries in the world, some of the highest crime rates, and quality of life is comparatively low in the developed world. And look, 75% christians. I'm not saying christianity causes those things, I'm saying religion doesn't guide morality, it can, but it's only one source, we have plenty of sources. 

He's not worth responding to.  He doesn't even think women are equals of men.  Not to mention he doesn't read.  I said every war going on NOW.  Not in the past, or the future, just NOW.  All the fighting in the middle east, all the genocide in Africa and terrorism in Asia... its all because of religion.  Also, he apparently equates kids fighting in school to the deaths of millions. 



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Andrespetmonkey on 09 November 2011
Xen said:
theprof00 said:
sapphi_snake said:
RolStoppable said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's neglecting the huge corruption that existed in Eastern Europe, especially the Balkan region, way before Communism. You'll actually find that less religious states (e.g. the Scandinavian ones) are also less corrupt than more religious ones (e.g. Greece, Turkey, Romania).

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I have always thought that nothing good ever came out of Romania.

Ouch. Well, for sure nothing that ever came out of Romania can compare to a certain moustached dictator.

Which one? Now that I think about it, every dictator from wwii era came out of strong religious countries. Russia (Orthodox church), German Catholicism/Christianity, Italy and the Vatican (which actually supported the Reich).

Also they all had mustaches.

Commie Russia? Strongly religious?

News to me.

Not to mention that Hitler was pagan, and Stalin, an atheist.

Hitler was catholic, he had strong ties to the catholic church and constantly referenced lord Jesus Christ and God in his writings and speeches. 
He thought he was "doing the lord's work" in exterminating the jews.



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theprof00 on 09 November 2011
Xen said:
theprof00 said:

Which one? Now that I think about it, every dictator from wwii era came out of strong religious countries. Russia (Orthodox church), German Catholicism/Christianity, Italy and the Vatican (which actually supported the Reich).

Also they all had mustaches.

Commie Russia? Strongly religious?

News to me.

Not to mention that Hitler was pagan, and Stalin, an atheist.

Yes, Commie Russia was strongly religious. Stalin killed more religious people in his own country than hitler did the jews.

Both countries were strongly religious, their leaders, not so much.

It takes a "greater purpose" for people to believe that what they are doing is worth their own demise.



Andrespetmonkey on 09 November 2011
Jexy said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
padib said:
Jexy said:
Religion should be a personal thing, between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. And if you want to build a temple to that and be with others like you, that is also great. Just don't force others into your belief system. Religion was an early form of government, a way to keep the peace, and a way to explain everything that happened because science hadn't evolved that far yet. It is useful now as it provides hope when there is little to many around the world, and a sense of being. Plus, many religious groups do a lot of good in the world. But yeah, if you could somehow wipe everyone's minds clean of religion on earth, every war, every ongoing genocide, would cease to be.

@ bold. Very wishful thinking. Did you come up with that or is that what other people told you?

Assuming it's your thought, how can you honestly believe that? Barring religion, what about pride? greed? What of kids fighting as a natural human tendency? What about bloodlust (you know it exists)?

Then there is areligious justice. What happens when an offense is made, how do people react (barring religion)? Taking matters into your hands, if in the scale of a country, means war.

Wow, I'm really amazed at your faith in areligion. I don't buy it though.

We already know how a society will work without a religion. Look at Sweden, Norway, Finland. It can't possibly just be the 15% of christians in Sweden that are keeping the crime rates among the lowest in the world, the quality of life among the highest, keeping Sweden one of the most peaceful countries in the world and one of the biggest givers of aid per capita.

Infact, look at USA, it's very different over there. One of the least peaceful countries in the world, some of the highest crime rates, and quality of life is comparatively low in the developed world. And look, 75% christians. I'm not saying christianity causes those things, I'm saying religion doesn't guide morality, it can, but it's only one source, we have plenty of sources. 

He's not worth responding to.  He doesn't even think women are equals of men.  Not to mention he doesn't read.  I said every war going on NOW.  Not in the past, or the future, just NOW.  All the fighting in the middle east, all the genocide in Africa and terrorism in Asia... its all because of religion.  Also, he apparently equates kids fighting in school to the deaths of millions. 

I actually had a good conversation with him once. He is really coming off as an arsehole in this thread though. 



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Jexy on 09 November 2011
Andrespetmonkey said:

I actually had a good conversation with him once. He is really coming off as an arsehole in this thread though. 


Hey, what can you do?  Those crazy religious zealots, I tell ya... haha ;p



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