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Religion should be a personal thing, between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. And if you want to build a temple to that and be with others like you, that is also great. Just don't force others into your belief system. Religion was an early form of government, a way to keep the peace, and a way to explain everything that happened because science hadn't evolved that far yet. It is useful now as it provides hope when there is little to many around the world, and a sense of being. Plus, many religious groups do a lot of good in the world. But yeah, if you could somehow wipe everyone's minds clean of religion on earth, every war, every ongoing genocide, would cease to be.



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padib said:
theprof00 said:

No I didn't say religion didn't do good things. Early life thrived upon religion because as I said with my first post, it gets people to become civilized. But I wanted to make the point that religion isn't the sole necessitator of civilization.

I'm looking at the big picture. I'm looking at the times. In these specific times, religion is choking progress. At other times, religion buoys survival and drive. Right now, in context, the main threat is radical Christians. It's not that I don't want to see both sides, it's just one side called reality. Reality right now has radical Christians preaching hate against other religions. Reality right now has religious people in places of power who shouldn't be there. Do you agree with mormons? They are tax exempt. Why the fuck should that exist as a rule? The whole purpose of tax exemption is that they are separated from the state, but they are not. They hold seats of power. They pass pro-mormon legislation. It's madness.

Okay, I finally understand what you mean now. The way it was brought up made me understand that it was the whole picture, but you do see the bigger picture so that's great news. (Something I can finally build on with you)

"Reality right now has radical Christians preaching hate against other religions."

I don't see that, can you give examples? Also, for the record I don't consider mormonism to be Christianity, just like I wouldn't consider Islam to be Christianity. 

"They hold seats of power. They pass pro-mormon legislation. It's madness."

But so do all lobbies. Where's the problem? I thought you wanted a world where everyone had their voice, be it right or wrong, good or bad (who's the judge) it's up to them...

then they should pay taxes

I'll find some examples and show you.



Marks said:
Can't just make religion disappear because you don't agree with it my good man. It may "not have a purpose" (assuming science is right about big bang/evolution/etc) but there are still billions around the world who are religious.

I've kind of outgrown religion myself but I still think it serves a good purpose of teaching kids good values. It teaches not to kill, not to steal, to be faithful to your wife/husband, not to lie, etc. If it wasn't for all the extremists in religion nobody would have any problem with religions.


 I agree 100% to those words...



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padib said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Padib, I'm sorry but if you really believe what you just said, you are batshit insane. Fuck this, I'm not gonna even begin to explain to you how disgustingly small-minded and ignorant a lot of what you just said was, maybe someone else will. I'm done talking to you. I'm going to sleep.

I feel small-minded. Maybe I'm a lesser being, a sub-product of evolution. Maybe I deserve to be supplanted by superior beings like you Andres.

maybe...

Good night!

What the fuck? You know I never said that at all xD And I didn't even call you small minded or ignorant, I said a lot of what you said were. You're at pretty much the same stage in evolution as me, so no :) 

Stop being an arsehole mate.



@OP,

What makes us 'human'? We eat, drink, have sex like any other animal, but we are different and of higher level than them. Our intellect is the key to differentiate us from other animals. But people always don't understand what is good or bad for him. In order to prevent this, we have law in the society to regulate the external activities of men and women. But their soul is not regulated by law. Soul makes you good and bad. And religion makes your soul act good.

People who follow religion and fear an almighty God have the feeling that the God is watching him. Hence he thinks twice before committing any wrong even if he has chance. Religion gives you that control.

With that said, I surely can say that religion has and will always have the importance to us.



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padib said:
Jexy said:
Religion should be a personal thing, between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. And if you want to build a temple to that and be with others like you, that is also great. Just don't force others into your belief system. Religion was an early form of government, a way to keep the peace, and a way to explain everything that happened because science hadn't evolved that far yet. It is useful now as it provides hope when there is little to many around the world, and a sense of being. Plus, many religious groups do a lot of good in the world. But yeah, if you could somehow wipe everyone's minds clean of religion on earth, every war, every ongoing genocide, would cease to be.

@ bold. Very wishful thinking. Did you come up with that or is that what other people told you?

Assuming it's your thought, how can you honestly believe that? Barring religion, what about pride? greed? What of kids fighting as a natural human tendency? What about bloodlust (you know it exists)?

Then there is areligious justice. What happens when an offense is made, how do people react (barring religion)? Taking matters into your hands, if in the scale of a country, means war.

Wow, I'm really amazed at your faith in areligion. I don't buy it though.

We already know how a society will work without a religion. Look at Sweden, Norway, Finland. It can't possibly just be the 15% of christians in Sweden that are keeping the crime rates among the lowest in the world, the quality of life among the highest, keeping Sweden one of the most peaceful countries in the world and one of the biggest givers of aid per capita.

Infact, look at USA, it's very different over there. One of the least peaceful countries in the world, some of the highest crime rates, and quality of life is comparatively low in the developed world. And look, 75% christians. I'm not saying christianity causes those things, I'm saying religion doesn't guide morality, it can, but it's only one source, we have plenty of sources. 



Jexy said:
Religion should be a personal thing, between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. And if you want to build a temple to that and be with others like you, that is also great. Just don't force others into your belief system. Religion was an early form of government, a way to keep the peace, and a way to explain everything that happened because science hadn't evolved that far yet. It is useful now as it provides hope when there is little to many around the world, and a sense of being. Plus, many religious groups do a lot of good in the world. But yeah, if you could somehow wipe everyone's minds clean of religion on earth, every war, every ongoing genocide, would cease to be.


Actually, no.  Google search something called Holodomor; a man-made famine that resulted up to ten million dead by some estimates, all due to a militant atheist.  The truth of the matter is that war and genocide are most often motivated by class and racial tensions plus a want for more resources, namely land.  It's human nature to try to suppress the beliefs and opinions of those who believe differently than you.  Loud atheists are equally guilty as believers of making that cognitive leap. 



Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
There are certain commonalities between all major religions and certain structural similarities across all stable societies, and (while some would use this to argue about the truth of religion) it could be argued that a form of societal evolution determined that these features were necessary for a stable and successful society. The decline in religion throughout much of the western world has translated to a weakening of many of these values and structures, and there have been many adverse impacts on society in general.

While I think society can survive without religion, we need to find a way to maintain/preserve order in the absence of religion for this to happen; which probably means protecting these values/beliefs and structures without religious justification.

I would argue that factors like rule of law and low corruption have increased apace with the lessening of the importance of religion, barring societies where institutions that delegitimized such factors were also atheistic in composition (e.g. Communism)

That's neglecting the huge corruption that existed in Eastern Europe, especially the Balkan region, way before Communism. You'll actually find that less religious states (e.g. the Scandinavian ones) are also less corrupt than more religious ones (e.g. Greece, Turkey, Romania).



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RolStoppable said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's neglecting the huge corruption that existed in Eastern Europe, especially the Balkan region, way before Communism. You'll actually find that less religious states (e.g. the Scandinavian ones) are also less corrupt than more religious ones (e.g. Greece, Turkey, Romania).

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I have always thought that nothing good ever came out of Romania.

Ouch. Well, for sure nothing that ever came out of Romania can compare to a certain moustached dictator.



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osamanobama said:
Runa216 said:
Marks said:
Can't just make religion disappear because you don't agree with it my good man. It may "not have a purpose" (assuming science is right about big bang/evolution/etc) but there are still billions around the world who are religious.

I've kind of outgrown religion myself but I still think it serves a good purpose of teaching kids good values. It teaches not to kill, not to steal, to be faithful to your wife/husband, not to lie, etc. If it wasn't for all the extremists in religion nobody would have any problem with religions.

*sigh*  You do not need religion to teach you that deliberately harming others is wrong. if anything, religion would only serve to push outdated values on the weakminded (gays are evil, men are greater than women, kill all those who worship any others...).  if I actually had t he time, I could easily give you hundreds more bad things the bible could teach compared to the good things it teaches.  

Sadly, I have a life so this will have to go unresolved.  


*sigh* you do not need atheism to teach you that gays arent evil, men are equal to women, dont kill those who think differently than you... if anything atheism would only serve to push outdated values on the weakminded... if i actually had the time, i could easily give you thousands more bad things about atheism and the negative effects it brings to soceity, and exactly nothing positive about what it brings.

Weird, I don't remember atheism teaching anything, considering that it's not a religion, and prescribes no doctrinal beliefs. And that's not the only thing that makes this post ridiculous.



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