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Kasz216 said:

It's just for some dumbass reason they force you to go through PSN to use said servers.  It's the same with Xbox Live...

I think it's for information harvesting.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
Kasz216 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Without psn/live you'd need someones IP to connect to their game...

I don't need their IP on PC.  Steam or otherwise.

I don't know the details but thats because there is a server of some kind set up for at the very least the waiting room 

Actually there are MANY different server browsers on PC.  Including Steam.

For the same games no less. 

You can use like 15-20 differnet server browsers for TF2 or Battlefield BC or whatever you wanna play.

Point being... having one service being the monolithic server browser for every game in a system... is... stupid... and I hope I don't have to explain why.

You didn't contradict me, you actually proved my point you still need A server but the question becomes on a close platform where does the servers come from if not from the company who makes the platform? You say they should do something else but don't say what else they can do 


Pssssst *whispering* it's called opening up your service to allow for people to dedicate their own servers, you know it's not hard, every online service ever has done it till XBL came into the scene, heck if it was built that way this whole situation would be a mild inconvience (of not being able to access the PSN store and your friends list) while still playing on Gamespys servers (since Sony uses the same services Nintendo uses for online ^^)

Yeah, more or less what i'm saying... but I mean... sony DOES allow people to dedicate their own servers.  It's just for some dumbass reason they force you to go through PSN to use said servers.  It's the same with Xbox Live... I'm unsure about Wii.

Portal 2 uses Steam servers afterall...  EA games use EAs own servers.

 

If they were smart... they would use the Steam model.


Yeah a company can, but I'd be much more comfortable with a service opened up so much that I don't have to sign into PSN if I just want to play a quick game of Naruto UNS2 online, or if servers ever get taken down someone could host their own server much like people still do for Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II for Gamecube.

I agree of course.



Belgian indie retailer Gameswap

 

 

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Let's pick a retail thing that no one in Belgium basically has EVER heard of and make it a part of the statement to "show" something ... if they had asked Fnac / Game Mania / ... then I could accept it a bit more, but gameswap, really?



I had quite the entertaining revelation right now. Every Sony drone on these forums has rattled off the same thing. You know mantra makes it happen and all. They all say after the PSN comes back up it will be unhackable. I guess the history of hubris is written in some lost language. I am also sure vague phrasing is a bulletproof blanket. Aside from the sidesteps that are there. What will happen if the PSN suffers another large hack again. Not to Sony. I know most people aren't huge idiots. I know the console will obtain the same status as the Dreamcast in most eyes.

I want to know how the drones on these forums will behave. I am curious to see what a mass of people passing their own breaking points at the same time would look like. To be honest given the forces arrayed against Sony, and the past conduct of the company. I see them being right back to complacent in less then a year. Then once that happens I can see the lapses in judgement returning.

I know a lot of these fanatics haven't even considered a worst case scenario, and what that might mean for them. Even though it is a fifty/fifty proposition. Either Sony does the job right, or they do the job wrong. Anyone care to comment on how another such failure will make them feel, or what they will do if it happens. For all the comments about stupid sellers maybe five or six months from right now they will seem like geniuses



papflesje said:

Belgian indie retailer Gameswap

 

 

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Let's pick a retail thing that no one in Belgium basically has EVER heard of and make it a part of the statement to "show" something ... if they had asked Fnac / Game Mania / ... then I could accept it a bit more, but gameswap, really?

It is a popular store in Gent....And you were from Antwerp right?   Maybe it is time to face Belgium is more than Antwerp =p.



 

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Dodece said:

I had quite the entertaining revelation right now. Every Sony drone on these forums has rattled off the same thing. You know mantra makes it happen and all. They all say after the PSN comes back up it will be unhackable. I guess the history of hubris is written in some lost language. I am also sure vague phrasing is a bulletproof blanket. Aside from the sidesteps that are there. What will happen if the PSN suffers another large hack again. Not to Sony. I know most people aren't huge idiots. I know the console will obtain the same status as the Dreamcast in most eyes.

I want to know how the drones on these forums will behave. I am curious to see what a mass of people passing their own breaking points at the same time would look like. To be honest given the forces arrayed against Sony, and the past conduct of the company. I see them being right back to complacent in less then a year. Then once that happens I can see the lapses in judgement returning.

I know a lot of these fanatics haven't even considered a worst case scenario, and what that might mean for them. Even though it is a fifty/fifty proposition. Either Sony does the job right, or they do the job wrong. Anyone care to comment on how another such failure will make them feel, or what they will do if it happens. For all the comments about stupid sellers maybe five or six months from right now they will seem like geniuses

I'm no drone but I already commented on that, right now I'm working under the assumption they are competent and the only reason it's down so long is that they are doing it right, if they get hacked again I'll be the first in line calling them incompetent idiots though nothing much will chance since I just use psn cards anyways and I like the games and I don't see MS as any better, will give nintendo more weight on my choice for next gen though 



UltimateUnknown said:

I can say personally that the bad rep never dies down. I think its a rule of the internet, if you fuck something up it will never ever be forgotten. I mean my 360 has been nearly 2 years now (this is my first one) and I have had 0 issues with it. But every time I go anywhere online, people are always stating how they were on their 10th 360 before they finally gave up and switched. This makes me think either I am one of the luckiest gamers alive or they are blatantly overexagerating lying, and I am inclined to believe its the latter.

I'm just going to point out here that Nintendo's kiddy image can be traced back to Mortal Kombat on the SNES not having any blood. That's what... 20 years ago, and that shit still sticks with them today.

If Sony get a bad rep from this, it's going to be interesting to see them try to throw it off. I wouldn't read too much into these stories of trade ins though, I'd only think they'd be concerned if these stories continued to pop up and sales declined at the same time, and that's going to be a more medium term thing before we can see that impact if it even happens.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Without psn/live you'd need someones IP to connect to their game...

I don't need their IP on PC.  Steam or otherwise.

I don't know the details but thats because there is a server of some kind set up for at the very least the waiting room 

Actually there are MANY different server browsers on PC.  Including Steam.

For the same games no less. 

You can use like 15-20 differnet server browsers for TF2 or Battlefield BC or whatever you wanna play.

Point being... having one service being the monolithic server browser for every game in a system... is... stupid... and I hope I don't have to explain why.

You didn't contradict me, you actually proved my point you still need A server but the question becomes on a close platform where does the servers come from if not from the company who makes the platform? You say they should do something else but don't say what else they can do 


Pssssst *whispering* it's called opening up your service to allow for people to dedicate their own servers, you know it's not hard, every online service ever has done it till XBL came into the scene, heck if it was built that way this whole situation would be a mild inconvience (of not being able to access the PSN store and your friends list) while still playing on Gamespys servers (since Sony uses the same services Nintendo uses for online ^^)

It would create hacking and cheaters that Sony wouldn't have any control over it and it would also make it impossible to switch between servers with a character so if the server is down you still can't play your character with your account and I was talking about the p2p games not dedicated server games, no1 is going to go out of their way for a waiting room and if the game makers did it it makes having one account for all games impossible and everything related to that, a open network just isn't a option on a closed system 



Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

 

 

Uh... do you know what a dedicated server is and what peer to peer is?

Because... anyone can put up a dedicated server.

There are entire buisnesses dedicated to leasing dedicated servers to gamers who want to play on their own server.

Not with console games 

This is a serious question here.  Do you know the difference between a dedicated server and a Peer to Peer game?

The answer is... basically nothing unless the developer allows it.  Outside a benefit of performance and not needing to have a friends list the size of a phone book.

peer to peer the person hosts and requires a server to get into the game or the hosts ip the other one the server runs the game and you still haven't said where the free servers for the waiting room are comming from if not from Sony

A) Not quite

B) The company who makes the game.  As always.  In fact, I'm not even sure that Sony actually DOES host the master server lists for PS3.

Everything i've read suggests they don't.

A. If you're going to correct me correct me, just don't say I'm wrong 

B. We both know that would lead to far more outtages only for specific games instead and most ps3 exclusive games would be down now anyways so I just don't see whats so beneficial about that

A)  Dedicated servers still use a master server to direct you to the dedicated servers.  The only difference between a Peer to Peer server, and a Dedicated server is that peer to peer servers are run by a specific player.  While peer to peer servers are run on machines "dedicated" to run those games.  Meaning they run much smoother, and makes gameplay more balanced and smooth.   That's pretty much it.


B) Why?  Server outages are fairly rare.  If it went the PC route... chances are most games wouldn't ever see an outage.  VS now... where all games have faced a simaltanious outtage.  I can't think of a time a game i've played has actually had a server outage before this.

 

Aside from which, even if you accepted the unlikely outcome that it would be more common.  You don't see the advantage in said outages being spread out apart from each other?

It goes something like this,  "Call of Duty is down... that sucks.  Lets play some Battlefield Bad Company."

But this situation right now is so freaking rare, even normal matainance of every game having it's own server would overcome this 3 weeks before something like this even comes close to happening again this is pretty much a once in 10 years if that event atleast a once in 5 years so yeah... and no1 saw it comming, on the bright side the whole server network got rebuilt so hopefully that means improvement all around and features that were too much of a pain to implement before

I wouldn't say NOBODY saw this coming.  People did see it coming... people specifically warned sony about security procedures and I mean... I know I thought something of Sony's would get hacked after they decided to harass hackers.

aside from which... normal maintence of each server... are you suggesting the PS3 servers don't go under maitence now?  Cause... they do...

Of course I know Sony servers go through maintainace but they don't all have to be taken down for normal maintainance at once because there is so many of them if every publisher had their own servers it would be different especially for the smaller ones and I meant when psn was set up no1 saw it coming of course after Sony attacked hackers people speculated they would attack Sony and they really should have updated before but I honestly don't think it would have made a major difference and like I said Sony is handling every aspect of the problem 



awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Without psn/live you'd need someones IP to connect to their game...

I don't need their IP on PC.  Steam or otherwise.

I don't know the details but thats because there is a server of some kind set up for at the very least the waiting room 

Actually there are MANY different server browsers on PC.  Including Steam.

For the same games no less. 

You can use like 15-20 differnet server browsers for TF2 or Battlefield BC or whatever you wanna play.

Point being... having one service being the monolithic server browser for every game in a system... is... stupid... and I hope I don't have to explain why.

You didn't contradict me, you actually proved my point you still need A server but the question becomes on a close platform where does the servers come from if not from the company who makes the platform? You say they should do something else but don't say what else they can do 


Pssssst *whispering* it's called opening up your service to allow for people to dedicate their own servers, you know it's not hard, every online service ever has done it till XBL came into the scene, heck if it was built that way this whole situation would be a mild inconvience (of not being able to access the PSN store and your friends list) while still playing on Gamespys servers (since Sony uses the same services Nintendo uses for online ^^)

It would create hacking and cheaters that Sony wouldn't have any control over it and it would also make it impossible to switch between servers with a character so if the server is down you still can't play your character with your account and I was talking about the p2p games not dedicated server games, no1 is going to go out of their way for a waiting room and if the game makers did it it makes having one account for all games impossible and everything related to that, a open network just isn't a option on a closed system 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.



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