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Industry to Nintendo, "We finally got you."

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A few points:

1.  I have seen no evidence that 3DS games are getting delayed to become NGP games. There weren't many multiplatform games between DS and NGP, so I would need to see some more examples to believe you.

2.  NGP games are going to be even more expensive to develop and sell than 3DS games so I don't see developers running off to NGP as their savior, especially given how poorly the PSP performed in the West.

3.  Why is everyone assuming that the Wii 2 is going to get left in the dust by the next-gen Playstation and Xbox consoles?  We don't even know the details yet.  The final details on the 3DS didn't even materialize until a month or so before the 3DS release.  So how exactly does everyone think they know what is in the Wii 2?

One thing I can say with fair certainty is that Nintendo has put a lot of thought in to how to stay into the race if a Playstation releases a couple years later and is more powerful.  The next-gen Wii will be powerful enough that it can receive serviceable ports of all the next-gen games.  It might not have the best pixel-count, but the display will look far enough beyond this HD gen that gamers won't care as much.  We have already hit the point of diminishing returns for graphics.  Even if Playstation and Xbox put out better hardware, only a few developers will be able to afford to take advantage of it.  Developers simply won't be able to recoup the development costs on all their games--- and they are already having enough trouble staying in budget in this generation. It won't be that hard for developers to port a downgraded version of a game-- it will kind like how PC games can be scaled on computers with different hardware.  The developers will be able to scale down ports between the different consoles much more easily now that they will all be in 1080P.   As long as Nintendo leaves enough under the hood and has a easily system to develop for then it shouldn't be a problem for them to get ports from the next-gen systems.



 

Most anticipated games of 2011:

Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D

 

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I like how OP says that Sony and the PlayStation brand are stronger than ever, while Sony at the moment is knee deep in a PR nightmare and trying to restore order and sanity to their network which, after it's all said and done, will probably cost them billions.

Nintendo is doing just fine for now... granted the Wii is slowing down and the 3DS isn't exactly flying off shelves (I blame the price for that... drop it to $199 and then you'll start seeing Wii-like shortages), but Nintendo is in a pretty good position right now.  This will be the first time they kick off the next generation of game consoles since the days of the NES, and with a possible 1-2 year head start over the competition, as well as most likely having the price advantage over the competition once again, it's going to be tough for M$ or Sony to take the #1 spot away from them.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Kenny said:
Ail said:
Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

Microsoft is financially trapped ?

That's news...

After working for 10 years on it they have finally build a gaming division that is profitable.

Without a doubt they are the one coming out of the gen in the best shape ( Nintendo had a crazy success but demonstrated it was totally unable to manage it...).

 

As for moving the launch table, Microsft and Sony can just ignore that move as long as they agree with each other and transform the Wii2 into a HD port console just like that..

We know absolutely nothing about Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft's state of R&D for the eighth generation.  Even for Nintendo's offering, we have no information whatsoever apart from rampant speculation.  Are you suggesting that Sony and Microsoft would be willing to collectively throw out their sunk R&D costs to make a system more powerful than Nintendo's, without any regard for how powerful it is or whether the market will bear the price of their efforts?


I'm saying they could ignore Nintendo's announce ( which is what Microsoft seems to be doing based on the comments to analysts today following their financial results ) and release their console later in time and as a result it could end up being more powerfull than the Wii2 and still be priced similarly ( whatever Nintendo releases in 2011 it's fair to think that something more powerfull could be released at a similar price point in holydays 2013 or in 2014...)

 

Being the first in a new gen only really works when users see the benefit of the new gen.

Nintendo is going to have to work hard to demonstrate this and being succesfull especially as traditionally Nitendo's franchises haven't been focused on demonstrating the technical prowess of the hardware



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

I'm not a Nintendo fan but:

1 . The 3DS is selling on par with the regular DS' launch, with a higher price and outside the holiday season.

2. We yet don't know how Café will turn out.

So I wouldn't worry much as of yet.



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Ail said:
Kenny said:
Ail said:
Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

Microsoft is financially trapped ?

That's news...

After working for 10 years on it they have finally build a gaming division that is profitable.

Without a doubt they are the one coming out of the gen in the best shape ( Nintendo had a crazy success but demonstrated it was totally unable to manage it...).

 

As for moving the launch table, Microsft and Sony can just ignore that move as long as they agree with each other and transform the Wii2 into a HD port console just like that..

We know absolutely nothing about Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft's state of R&D for the eighth generation.  Even for Nintendo's offering, we have no information whatsoever apart from rampant speculation.  Are you suggesting that Sony and Microsoft would be willing to collectively throw out their sunk R&D costs to make a system more powerful than Nintendo's, without any regard for how powerful it is or whether the market will bear the price of their efforts?


I'm saying they could ignore Nintendo's announce ( which is what Microsoft seems to be doing based on the comments to analysts today following their financial results ) and release their console later in time and as a result it could end up being more powerfull than the Wii2 and still be priced similarly ( whatever Nintendo releases in 2011 it's fair to think that something more powerfull could be released at a similar price point in holydays 2013 or in 2014...)


Being the first in a new gen only really works when users see the benefit of the new gen.

Nintendo is going to have to work hard to demonstrate this and being succesfull especially as traditionally Nitendo's franchises haven't been focused on demonstrating the technical prowess of the hardware

That is assuming that Project Cafe isn't going to be a significant step up from the current hardware state of the art in the gaming industry.  If you look into history, you will see that Nintendo's system being significantly weaker than the competition is not a trend.  The Wii is, in fact, the anomaly.  The SNES was comparable to the Genesis, the N64 was faster than the PSX but hobbled by storage form factor, and the GameCube was faster than the PS2.



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Ail said:
Kenny said:
Ail said:
Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

Microsoft is financially trapped ?

That's news...

After working for 10 years on it they have finally build a gaming division that is profitable.

Without a doubt they are the one coming out of the gen in the best shape ( Nintendo had a crazy success but demonstrated it was totally unable to manage it...).

 

As for moving the launch table, Microsft and Sony can just ignore that move as long as they agree with each other and transform the Wii2 into a HD port console just like that..

We know absolutely nothing about Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft's state of R&D for the eighth generation.  Even for Nintendo's offering, we have no information whatsoever apart from rampant speculation.  Are you suggesting that Sony and Microsoft would be willing to collectively throw out their sunk R&D costs to make a system more powerful than Nintendo's, without any regard for how powerful it is or whether the market will bear the price of their efforts?


I'm saying they could ignore Nintendo's announce ( which is what Microsoft seems to be doing based on the comments to analysts today following their financial results ) and release their console later in time and as a result it could end up being more powerfull than the Wii2 and still be priced similarly ( whatever Nintendo releases in 2011 it's fair to think that something more powerfull could be released at a similar price point in holydays 2013 or in 2014...)

 

Being the first in a new gen only really works when users see the benefit of the new gen.

Nintendo is going to have to work hard to demonstrate this and being succesfull especially as traditionally Nitendo's franchises haven't been focused on demonstrating the technical prowess of the hardware

It's not really technical power that would push them.

It's early sales, how the market recieves it and how much market share it starts to take up.

Technical power wasn't what pushed them to launch their own motion controllers.



Soriku said:

That's some conspiracy theory you have there.

I think it is funny.

Usually, people do not read the OP and only go off the thread title...

but in this case, my thread title was more important than my OP yet it has been totally neglected. The OP isn't as black and white as you think.......



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Troll_Whisperer said:

I'm not a Nintendo fan but:

1 . The 3DS is selling on par with the regular DS' launch, with a higher price and outside the holiday season.

2. We yet don't know how Café will turn out.

So I wouldn't worry much as of yet.

There's no need to say you're not a fanboy, because anyone who uses that term as an insult needs to be slapped. What you stated is just simple logic. Logic that a LOT of people are not using



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SaviorX, in the immortal words of Dwayne Johnson: "Know your role and shut your mouth!" It's way too soon to call the 3DS as DOA (as in dead on arrival, not the boob-heavy fighting game of TECMO's design), because as somebody else said, its sales are on par with the original Nintendo DS at the same point in its run, and that's without the aid of Holiday shopping. Just imagine what the sales will be like come Black Friday 2011, after new software and maybe a price cut come into play. It will be selling at "Tickle Me Elmo" capacity, especially if it gets a bump from one or more of the many talk show personalities on TV (I don't know who gives bumps these days,; I remember when Rosie O'Donnell and Oprah Winfrey had the clout and integrity to give people, places, and things a bump; since Rosie O no longer has the integrity because of recent conduct, and Oprah no longer has the clout because of the cancellation of her talk show, I wonder who will step up?).

As for the Wii, of course sales have slowed down, but then anybody who's anybody already owns one or has owned one in the past.

As for the pending 9th-generation Nintendo console (I'm hesitant to call it Wii2 as of yet), I'm actually very excited about this one, and I already have a possible design in my head for the controller. You see, I believe that motion-control has become "Red Ocean." I believe that the next "Blue Ocean" is simplified control. Two flipper buttons, an analog stick and two round face buttons each sectioned into four quarters, situated diagonally, are all I believe would be necessary for maximum functionality.



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