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Industry to Nintendo, "We finally got you."

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Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

I don't think Sony is in that bad of a position the headstart isn't doing 3DS any favors right now, all Sony needs is a good NPG line up and the headstart will become meaningless headstarts aren't as important as people think on the home consoles the PS3 will beable to compete with nintendos next system and by the time they launch the next one it will have been so long people who brought a nintendos console won't mind getting a ps4 if it has games they want you are right about MS though they are screwed next launch they are caught between everyone and the only move they'll have is moneyhatting devs for exclusvies 



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imaprettyhotguy said:
Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

I don't think Sony is in that bad of a position the headstart isn't doing 3DS any favors right now, all Sony needs is a good NPG line up and the headstart will become meaningless headstarts aren't as important as people think on the home consoles the PS3 will beable to compete with nintendos next system and by the time they launch the next one it will have been so long people who brought a nintendos console won't mind getting a ps4 if it has games they want you are right about MS though they are screwed next launch they are caught between everyone and the only move they'll have is moneyhatting devs for exclusvies 

You're both right and wrong in one. A good head start can prove to be a gamechanger (see: PS2 vs Xbox and GC, 360 vs PS3), but it can also be surmounted (see: Wii vs 360, SNES vs Genesis). So long as your head start builds momentum behind itself, you can become inaccessible, or at least make it so that it takes competitors years to catch up (PS3 likely will catch 360 now, but it will have taken them 5 years to do it)



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Mr Khan said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kenny said:

While it is true that Nintendo's fortunes have waned for the seventh generation, they are in fact in the best position to seize the eighth generation.  Microsoft is only now close to breaking even on their investment for the XBox 360, taking an abnormally long generation to do so, and Sony has lost so much money that they've managed to wipe out all the gains they've made with the PS2, the most successful console of all time.  On the portables front, Sony shot itself in the foot with the PSP Go, and the NGP has given the 3DS a head start of an entire year.  As for third parties, they are just about bled dry, having witnessed a generation where record losses in the face of record revenues was the norm.

To put it simply, forjust about everybody except Nintendo, the seventh generation has been an unmitigated catastrophe.  Many practices that became prevalent in the seventh generation, like taking losses on hardware as a matter of course, and moneyhatting developers for exclusives, won't be repeatable in the eighth.  To top it off, Nintendo's competition is financially trapped in the seventh generation due to sunk costs, and the need to recoup expenses, as I alluded to earlier.  If Nintendo moves up the launch timetable, they put Microsoft and Sony in the uncomfortable position of having to choose between abandoning their sunk costs, or handing Nintendo a huge head start on the eighth generation.

I am aware that Nintendo has substantial challenges in attracting third party support and repairing their reputation with 'core' gamers, but this is meant largely as a dissenting opinion in terms of just how d0med Nintendo is.

I don't think Sony is in that bad of a position the headstart isn't doing 3DS any favors right now, all Sony needs is a good NPG line up and the headstart will become meaningless headstarts aren't as important as people think on the home consoles the PS3 will beable to compete with nintendos next system and by the time they launch the next one it will have been so long people who brought a nintendos console won't mind getting a ps4 if it has games they want you are right about MS though they are screwed next launch they are caught between everyone and the only move they'll have is moneyhatting devs for exclusvies 

You're both right and wrong in one. A good head start can prove to be a gamechanger (see: PS2 vs Xbox and GC, 360 vs PS3), but it can also be surmounted (see: Wii vs 360, SNES vs Genesis). So long as your head start builds momentum behind itself, you can become inaccessible, or at least make it so that it takes competitors years to catch up (PS3 likely will catch 360 now, but it will have taken them 5 years to do it)

Out of the advantages 360 had over the ps3 at the start of the gen the headstart was one of the most minor ones, price point and lack of good launch games and exlcusive not to mention the lackluster 3rd party support (which should have been easy for them after the ps2 they were counting on it) so a headstart is a slight advantage but in the grand scheme its not that big of one and can easily be overcome 



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i only agree with the part about wii 2. if all it will be getting from 3rd parties are 360/ps3 ports then when 720/ps4 release it would get dumbed down ports or no ports at all.



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imaprettyhotguy said:
Mr Khan said:

You're both right and wrong in one. A good head start can prove to be a gamechanger (see: PS2 vs Xbox and GC, 360 vs PS3), but it can also be surmounted (see: Wii vs 360, SNES vs Genesis). So long as your head start builds momentum behind itself, you can become inaccessible, or at least make it so that it takes competitors years to catch up (PS3 likely will catch 360 now, but it will have taken them 5 years to do it)

Out of the advantages 360 had over the ps3 at the start of the gen the headstart was one of the most minor ones, price point and lack of good launch games and exlcusive not to mention the lackluster 3rd party support (which should have been easy for them after the ps2 they were counting on it) so a headstart is a slight advantage but in the grand scheme its not that big of one and can easily be overcome 

No no, momentum is one of the most potent forces in this industry, and one of the hardest to fix or tamper with. Sony managed it simply because of the "multiplat everything" environment 3rd parties were trapped in, but early on you could see the tremendous damage that 360's lead had: people bought more 360 games because their friends had 360s and were playing online on their 360s, this lead to 360 being deemed the "default" console as far as 3rd party games went, and then Sony lost exclusivity to major titles (FFXIII and GTAIV) because of that effect. It was only because the whole "multiplat everything" blade cuts both ways that Sony isn't wallowing in utter market irrelevance right now: they get everything 360 gets, and so can compete on a level playing field

Getting a head-start can be bad (certainly didn't help the 3DO, Saturn, Dreamcast, or TurboGrafx16), but if you time it right, coming out first can be irreversible



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zgamer5 said:

i only agree with the part about wii 2. if all it will be getting from 3rd parties are 360/ps3 ports then when 720/ps4 release it would get dumbed down ports or no ports at all.

That would only be the case if third parties only thought of N6 as a platform to port to, and never seriously worked on making games for it. It'll be the critical juncture for Nintendo to attract third party focus to the console as more than just another platform in the multiplat chain in the time before PS4 and 720 release. If the market reorients itself in Nintendo's direction and the competitors overshoot again by releasing things more powerful than the markets demand, that whole situation could drastically reverse in one go



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Mr Khan said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Mr Khan said:
 

You're both right and wrong in one. A good head start can prove to be a gamechanger (see: PS2 vs Xbox and GC, 360 vs PS3), but it can also be surmounted (see: Wii vs 360, SNES vs Genesis). So long as your head start builds momentum behind itself, you can become inaccessible, or at least make it so that it takes competitors years to catch up (PS3 likely will catch 360 now, but it will have taken them 5 years to do it)

Out of the advantages 360 had over the ps3 at the start of the gen the headstart was one of the most minor ones, price point and lack of good launch games and exlcusive not to mention the lackluster 3rd party support (which should have been easy for them after the ps2 they were counting on it) so a headstart is a slight advantage but in the grand scheme its not that big of one and can easily be overcome 

No no, momentum is one of the most potent forces in this industry, and one of the hardest to fix or tamper with. Sony managed it simply because of the "multiplat everything" environment 3rd parties were trapped in, but early on you could see the tremendous damage that 360's lead had: people bought more 360 games because their friends had 360s and were playing online on their 360s, this lead to 360 being deemed the "default" console as far as 3rd party games went, and then Sony lost exclusivity to major titles (FFXIII and GTAIV) because of that effect. It was only because the whole "multiplat everything" blade cuts both ways that Sony isn't wallowing in utter market irrelevance right now: they get everything 360 gets, and so can compete on a level playing field

Getting a head-start can be bad (certainly didn't help the 3DO, Saturn, Dreamcast, or TurboGrafx16), but if you time it right, coming out first can be irreversible

It was ps3s launch that was the problem not the 360s headstart, at the point of the ps3s launch none of those things happened it was only after when the ps3 was too expensive and didn't have enough good games, if ps3 had been at the same price point or had more good launch games the 360s headstart wouldn't have mattered 



Mr Khan said:
zgamer5 said:

i only agree with the part about wii 2. if all it will be getting from 3rd parties are 360/ps3 ports then when 720/ps4 release it would get dumbed down ports or no ports at all.

That would only be the case if third parties only thought of N6 as a platform to port to, and never seriously worked on making games for it. It'll be the critical juncture for Nintendo to attract third party focus to the console as more than just another platform in the multiplat chain in the time before PS4 and 720 release. If the market reorients itself in Nintendo's direction and the competitors overshoot again by releasing things more powerful than the markets demand, that whole situation could drastically reverse in one go

ps3 and 360 have more then 50% market share. they arent console more powerful then the market demands.

if tech wise its going to be the same situation as last gen and if the 720 and ps4 areant flops then we could have the same situation as last gen. unless nintendo are again market leader but this time with a console that sells loads of 3rd party hardware.

ps3 360 combined have more then 50% market share, so how did they overshoot market demand?



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