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Icyedge said:

"One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case."


Thank god for posting this. I mean you would think the 99 other posters in this thread would have looked for it instead of speculating on what Sony will do with the IPs...

The gem posts in this thread makes you wonder how the human race ever got out of caves and learned to make fires............



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thranx said:

if they only need ip's to prove that CA is such a problem and targeted by geohotz  why are we seeing this also http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/84498/wtf-moment-of-the-week-magistrate-this/ . I mean how far do they have to go before you guys see they are invading our privacy (well not mine I have never been to geohotz site). Sad to see.


The first and foremost reason to get the IP is to prove the distribution and the importance of this said distribution. This is in direct relation to the case and is necessary to evaluate the prejudice cause to Sony from Geohot distribution, hence why the judge accepted. Now we can argue whether or not the judge should have mandated the police to look at it instead of Sony. But you do realise without subpoena for the ISP of each IP adress, it is legally impossible for Sony to gather any kind of personal info from those IP. I guess its the reason why the judge didnt bother mendating a legal instance to look at the info. People thinking Sony will hack into their ISP database to get their personal infos smoke way better stuff then me. If one day, Sony want to subpoena each ISP of the IP watching the video you can be sure Ill be on your side. No one have the right to get my personal info because I watched a legal video. But this isnt what is happening at the moment.



"So, back to our initial question: is an IP address personal data, or, in other words, can you figure out who someone is from an IP address? A black-and-white declaration that all IP addresses are always personal data incorrectly suggests that every IP address can be associated with a specific individual. In some contexts this is more true: if you're an ISP and you assign an IP address to a computer that connects under a particular subscriber's account, and you know the name and address of the person who holds that account, then that IP address is more like personal data, even though multiple people could still be using it. On the other hand, the IP addresses recorded by every website on the planet without additional information should not be considered personal data, because these websites usually cannot identify the human beings behind these number strings."

http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/02/are-ip-addresses-personal.html

 

I guess this is one of many source I could have stated.



Ail said:
Icyedge said:

"One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case."


Thank god for posting this. I mean you would think the 99 other posters in this thread would have looked for it instead of speculating on what Sony will do with the IPs...

The gem posts in this thread makes you wonder how the human race ever got out of caves and learned to make fires............

And thank god you pointing out how corrupted and unfair our Justice system is siding with the evil Large corporate(Aka Sony). 



Pk9394 said:
Ail said:
Icyedge said:

"One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case."


Thank god for posting this. I mean you would think the 99 other posters in this thread would have looked for it instead of speculating on what Sony will do with the IPs...

The gem posts in this thread makes you wonder how the human race ever got out of caves and learned to make fires............

And thank god you pointing out how corrupted and unfair our Justice system is siding with the evil Large corporate(Aka Sony).

If the information are really that sensitive (which they arent because the ISP will not give your personal informations), you can always blame the judge for not mandating someone else to look at it. But you need to realise it was a necessity to solidly prove the distribution and its scale. Subpoena are made for that, whether your a corporation or an individual.



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Icyedge said:
Pk9394 said:
Ail said:
Icyedge said:

"One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case."


Thank god for posting this. I mean you would think the 99 other posters in this thread would have looked for it instead of speculating on what Sony will do with the IPs...

The gem posts in this thread makes you wonder how the human race ever got out of caves and learned to make fires............

And thank god you pointing out how corrupted and unfair our Justice system is siding with the evil Large corporate(Aka Sony).

If the information are really that sensitive (which they arent because the ISP will not give your personal informations), you can always blame the judge for not mandating someone else to look at it. But you need to realise it was a necessity to solidly prove the distribution and its scale. Subpoena are made for that, whether your a corporation or an individual.

I'm done talking here, I talk about one thing and then Sony ass kisser talk about other.  No point of debating here, if you like the way corporate corrupting our government so more power to you.  I would love the supreme court to step in and investigate why the judge is granting Sony the right to invade privacy and picking their playing field (California) judges that are notoriously known for siding with the Mega Corporates.



Pk9394 said:
Icyedge said:
Pk9394 said:
Ail said:
Icyedge said:

"One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case."


Thank god for posting this. I mean you would think the 99 other posters in this thread would have looked for it instead of speculating on what Sony will do with the IPs...

The gem posts in this thread makes you wonder how the human race ever got out of caves and learned to make fires............

And thank god you pointing out how corrupted and unfair our Justice system is siding with the evil Large corporate(Aka Sony).

If the information are really that sensitive (which they arent because the ISP will not give your personal informations), you can always blame the judge for not mandating someone else to look at it. But you need to realise it was a necessity to solidly prove the distribution and its scale. Subpoena are made for that, whether your a corporation or an individual.

I'm done talking here, I talk about one thing and then Sony ass kisser talk about other.  No point of debating here, if you like the way corporate corrupting our government so more power to you.  I would love the supreme court to step in and investigate why the judge is granting Sony the right to invade privacy and picking their playing field (California) judges that are notoriously known for siding with the Mega Corporates.

 

How was my reply not related? (between, sony ass kisser, lame)

Now for the rest of your post. I dont like corruption at all. But I do like that theres enforcement over illegal action done on the internet. I would approve a case like this whether its a corporation (any corporation) or individual as long as they arent sueing the downloader/viewer.



bannedagain said:
theprof00 said:
bannedagain said:

THis pisses me off just because I have nothing to do with sony, Nor do I own a ps3. WTF do they get access to anything of mine for. They shouldn't and should be against the law.  I hit a link on this site so sony can do as they please with my IP. I don't care if they got if I want them to but If I dont', I don't. Thats the point there is nothing to be worried about but our rights and I am sick of corperate scum like sony getting in my F-cking pants. I also would be very pissed if my address is handed out all over. There is people I don't much care for out there. I would not want them to access my address because it just ok, it's not. SO FUSONY.


they can't do anything with your IP. If anything ever happened to your dislike from them "having" your IP, You would be able to sue Sony for millions upon millions.

You visited his site. So what? BFD. Sony doesn't care who you are or what you did. All they care about is if you are FROM California. Then, still they don't care about you. You're a statistic, that's it. You're a case for Sony to point at Geohot and say, "Californian PS3 base is severely disrupted by Geohot, and it's one of our base of operations, and where all our imports come in.. etc etc". That's all you are to Sony.

So get off your high horse, and take off the tinfoil hat. I've been to his site a dozen times to read all the crazy things he has to say. I'm not worried because if Sony were to do anything with our IPs EXCEPT in the case to prove Geohot guilty, they would be sued in a big way, and would probably have their geohot case overturned on top of it all, and have to pay his fees and time and everything.

The sky is NOT falling. Relax, as business as usual (including the usual attempts to tear down Sony) will continue.


did you not read that I said It wasn't that I'm worred about anything. It was the pure right Of mine that they have it and I didn't want them to, Thats it. You get it or your so far up there arse that you don't get what rights mean. 

You do not have that right. The internet is a PUBLIC space. It is the same thing that a cop can arrest you for things that are "in plain sight". A cop can enter your home or car without a search warrant if he can see illegal activity or goods  from where he is standing.

If you're at a crime scene and leave and a cop then tracks you down, you cannot say, "you don't have the right to know if I was there".

Watching a video is not illegal, but you're NOT anonymous on the internet. Search providers track your IPs, servers keep logs of your IP, youtube tracks your IP. You are a person walking down the "street" of the net. And people do know where you are.

You think that just because you don't want them to have your IP, they can't have it?

Allow me to politely guffaw while I contemplate whether to keep 'arguing' with you.

I'm just going to end this here. Sony cannot do anything to you. They cannot look at anything you do online, they cannot target you, they cannot make a case against you. They have no right, and no judge will allow them to do so. This judge didn't allow that, and no judge ever will UNLESS YOU committed an internet crime. (Which you did not, despite how much you wrongheadedly insist that Sony says you did)



theprof00 said:
bannedagain said:
theprof00 said:
bannedagain said:

THis pisses me off just because I have nothing to do with sony, Nor do I own a ps3. WTF do they get access to anything of mine for. They shouldn't and should be against the law.  I hit a link on this site so sony can do as they please with my IP. I don't care if they got if I want them to but If I dont', I don't. Thats the point there is nothing to be worried about but our rights and I am sick of corperate scum like sony getting in my F-cking pants. I also would be very pissed if my address is handed out all over. There is people I don't much care for out there. I would not want them to access my address because it just ok, it's not. SO FUSONY.


they can't do anything with your IP. If anything ever happened to your dislike from them "having" your IP, You would be able to sue Sony for millions upon millions.

You visited his site. So what? BFD. Sony doesn't care who you are or what you did. All they care about is if you are FROM California. Then, still they don't care about you. You're a statistic, that's it. You're a case for Sony to point at Geohot and say, "Californian PS3 base is severely disrupted by Geohot, and it's one of our base of operations, and where all our imports come in.. etc etc". That's all you are to Sony.

So get off your high horse, and take off the tinfoil hat. I've been to his site a dozen times to read all the crazy things he has to say. I'm not worried because if Sony were to do anything with our IPs EXCEPT in the case to prove Geohot guilty, they would be sued in a big way, and would probably have their geohot case overturned on top of it all, and have to pay his fees and time and everything.

The sky is NOT falling. Relax, as business as usual (including the usual attempts to tear down Sony) will continue.


did you not read that I said It wasn't that I'm worred about anything. It was the pure right Of mine that they have it and I didn't want them to, Thats it. You get it or your so far up there arse that you don't get what rights mean. 

You do not have that right. The internet is a PUBLIC space. It is the same thing that a cop can arrest you for things that are "in plain sight". A cop can enter your home or car without a search warrant if he can see illegal activity or goods  from where he is standing.

If you're at a crime scene and leave and a cop then tracks you down, you cannot say, "you don't have the right to know if I was there".

Watching a video is not illegal, but you're NOT anonymous on the internet. Search providers track your IPs, servers keep logs of your IP, youtube tracks your IP. You are a person walking down the "street" of the net. And people do know where you are.

You think that just because you don't want them to have your IP, they can't have it?

Allow me to politely guffaw while I contemplate whether to keep 'arguing' with you.

I'm just going to end this here. Sony cannot do anything to you. They cannot look at anything you do online, they cannot target you, they cannot make a case against you. They have no right, and no judge will allow them to do so. This judge didn't allow that, and no judge ever will UNLESS YOU committed an internet crime. (Which you did not, despite how much you wrongheadedly insist that Sony says you did)


Heres the deal, I didn't to sh-t. GEOHOT DID, not me. SO thats my deal . THere you go, no need to enter my car, nothing illegal or my space or even have damn number. I disagree with you. Your using guilty situations to prove your points when I did nothing to have guilt.



bannedagain said:
theprof00 said:
bannedagain said:
theprof00 said:
bannedagain said:

THis pisses me off just because I have nothing to do with sony, Nor do I own a ps3. WTF do they get access to anything of mine for. They shouldn't and should be against the law.  I hit a link on this site so sony can do as they please with my IP. I don't care if they got if I want them to but If I dont', I don't. Thats the point there is nothing to be worried about but our rights and I am sick of corperate scum like sony getting in my F-cking pants. I also would be very pissed if my address is handed out all over. There is people I don't much care for out there. I would not want them to access my address because it just ok, it's not. SO FUSONY.


they can't do anything with your IP. If anything ever happened to your dislike from them "having" your IP, You would be able to sue Sony for millions upon millions.

You visited his site. So what? BFD. Sony doesn't care who you are or what you did. All they care about is if you are FROM California. Then, still they don't care about you. You're a statistic, that's it. You're a case for Sony to point at Geohot and say, "Californian PS3 base is severely disrupted by Geohot, and it's one of our base of operations, and where all our imports come in.. etc etc". That's all you are to Sony.

So get off your high horse, and take off the tinfoil hat. I've been to his site a dozen times to read all the crazy things he has to say. I'm not worried because if Sony were to do anything with our IPs EXCEPT in the case to prove Geohot guilty, they would be sued in a big way, and would probably have their geohot case overturned on top of it all, and have to pay his fees and time and everything.

The sky is NOT falling. Relax, as business as usual (including the usual attempts to tear down Sony) will continue.


did you not read that I said It wasn't that I'm worred about anything. It was the pure right Of mine that they have it and I didn't want them to, Thats it. You get it or your so far up there arse that you don't get what rights mean. 

You do not have that right. The internet is a PUBLIC space. It is the same thing that a cop can arrest you for things that are "in plain sight". A cop can enter your home or car without a search warrant if he can see illegal activity or goods  from where he is standing.

If you're at a crime scene and leave and a cop then tracks you down, you cannot say, "you don't have the right to know if I was there".

Watching a video is not illegal, but you're NOT anonymous on the internet. Search providers track your IPs, servers keep logs of your IP, youtube tracks your IP. You are a person walking down the "street" of the net. And people do know where you are.

You think that just because you don't want them to have your IP, they can't have it?

Allow me to politely guffaw while I contemplate whether to keep 'arguing' with you.

I'm just going to end this here. Sony cannot do anything to you. They cannot look at anything you do online, they cannot target you, they cannot make a case against you. They have no right, and no judge will allow them to do so. This judge didn't allow that, and no judge ever will UNLESS YOU committed an internet crime. (Which you did not, despite how much you wrongheadedly insist that Sony says you did)


Heres the deal, I didn't to sh-t. GEOHOT DID, not me. SO thats my deal . THere you go, no need to enter my car, nothing illegal or my space or even have damn number. I disagree with you. Your using guilty situations to prove your points when I did nothing to have guilt.

What next, are you going to sue the NSA for reading your e-mail and listening to your cellphones calls ???????

Besides Sony isn't asking for your data, it asks for those ISPs to give their customer data ( which you happen to be one if you visited the site...). If you don't want to leave a trace on the internet, don't go on the internet, because every frigging site keeps a record of your visit and the federal government in certain case can even ask your ISP for access to every data you send through it..........

Same thing when a bank is under investigations and a judge asks them to provide the name of all their account holders to the prosecutor. Doesn't mean everyone of them is a criminal....

 

 

You do realize that half the mods on this site can see your IP and they could post it and not get into any kind of trouble right ???????



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !