Yeah

The market would have shrunk severely, plus PS3 and 360 would not have price cut as much as they have, so prices would be higher and sales much lower

@Kasz216 thats all well and good and that actually makes sense. It doesnt matter what Sony intentions for it was intially, Im just pointing out that this whole "Move was in development before Wii is a lie" argument is just crap spun by overzeolous Ninty fans who refuse to do read or research anything. Im more inclined to believe the word of a publisher whose been in the buisness for years than some forum dweller

To be fair, we can't know exactly how many PS360 sales were aped by Wii, though i agree the industry would definitely be in a bad place if we added about 10 million each to PS3 and 360 but knocked 60 million off Wii (and the generation isn't over yet, so knocking 60 million off now would be generous if we were talking GC level sales as Wii failure)

Well, there is no reason to take anyones word either way... there are direct videos about move out there.

The real question in general though is... "what qualifies development of the move."

Without the Wii, the move wouldn't of nearly been everything it was.

There is certaintly much room to make the arguement that what the Move is, wasn't what Sony was developing, as they had to take new mechanics from the Wii and in general there Idea of the product was TOTALLY differnet.

It's like If I was working on a medicine that cures nauesia, and a rival drug maker makes a medicine of the same matieral that works on headaches.

Was I working with the matierals?  Yes.  Was I working on headache medication before that medicine hit the market?  Possibly, but I sure as hell didn't know it. 

@kasz216  hey man i get it, and i wasnt taking anyones word for it. I wasnt even talking about that video that everyone posts. I didnt believe it until I read an article in Game Informer that stated that Sony had some kind of Move prototype prior to Wii. They didnt get in specifics and I know that without Wii the MOve would not have been what it was, only a fool could not see that. IMHO im more inclined to believe the words of a magazine that has been around for a while than the ramblings of a fanboy. I mean GI does not have anything to gain by making that stuff up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ

Is what they were talking about... sure they were working on stuff like this, but is it really the same thing as what the move came to be?  

not really, but you have to start somewhere, they did keep the glowing ball thing. THe Move of today is way better than that thing though

id Software since Doom 3 in 2004 has helped publish or produce games the biggest being the re-release of Wolfenstein developed by Raven Software. So yes, my not including of this is a tad unfair.

My point is essentially that it is time for some new blood in gaming. Sure companies like id Software and Blizzard still create good games, but if they aren't releasing titles every other year or two, then they should not be held in the same esteem they were in their heyday in the 1990s. Blizzard is an exception to this because with every WoW content patch, they are essentially releasing a new game. Not to mention the every expansion pack for WoW every 2 years or so.

Not to pick on another point, but Sakamoto is still creating hits, just not Metroid hits. Wario Ware, Tomodachi Collection, and Rhythm Heaven are all his brainchildren, which explains the internal esteem he gets within Nintendo (as these are the kinds of cheap-to-make-sell-millions games all publishers love)