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mirgro said:
TX109 said:
mirgro said:
TX109 said:

why do you care? why do atheists care? why cant you poeple just accept religion as a part of society. i dont go to church but i have no problem with religious people or atheists. i just have a problem when people feel the need to call out one or the other for being "wrong", and that their beliefs are "total bullshit". you dont have to agree with them, just accept what you beleive in and at least respect the beliefs of others.


Because then they get the bright idea that they should ram their archaic, uninformed, and unintelligent ideas down people's throats. For example, gay rights. If they don't liek it they should just stfu and deal with it, not pass laws about it. From what I have seen, and it's not much so take it with a grain of salt, atheists just hate religious people exactly because religious people try to pull off their own retarded bullshit as law, solely because they read it in a fairy tale.


ramming their ideas down people's throats? is that not what alot of atheists do with their "god isnt real and religion is stupid and you people are stupid for believing in it it" shit? your right, many religious people do try to push their beliefs on others, but atheists are no different with their beliefs.

you dont believe in religion, which is fine. but is it really necessary to tell people who do that they are morons?


As I said, atheists just don't want religious people making the rules because they read them in one fairy tale or another. I frankly don't give a damn whether someone believes in unicorns and leprechauns or not, as long as they shut their trap about it. If they can't then just get rid of the whole idea behind it.

religious people may belive that those that arent religious "making the rules" is a bad idea because they dont have the word of god/jesus to guide them. are they any more right than you are? they may also feel that laws made by atheists are trying to impede on their beliefs. 

and why should they have to shut their trap when you (and many others) obviously wont and/or dont want to?



                                                                                                  
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I believe in creation.  It by far makes the most sense.



SecondWar said:
mirgro said:
SecondWar said:
mirgro said:
TX109 said:

why do you care? why do atheists care? why cant you poeple just accept religion as a part of society. i dont go to church but i have no problem with religious people or atheists. i just have a problem when people feel the need to call out one or the other for being "wrong", and that their beliefs are "total bullshit". you dont have to agree with them, just accept what you beleive in and at least respect the beliefs of others.


Because then they get the bright idea that they should ram their archaic, uninformed, and frankly retarded, ideas down people's throats. For example, gay rights.

You need to move to the 21st century

I am fairly sure proposition 8 was in the 21st century. Maybe you should crawl out of the hole you have been living in for the past 10 years.

What, you mean the UK? Seeing how a lot of the USA (or a larger proportion of the Americans I see on TV) seems to support installing pro-discrimination laws such as the persecution of gays, Id much rather stay in my hole

what you see on TV really isnt "alot of the USA". in fact it is alot less than you might think. try not to generalize what you see on TV as the entire country.



                                                                                                  

Here's my take on it.

We don't know enough about the universe. How can we in one breath, discuss the infinite possibilities of it, and in another breath lambast our fellow man for developing an ideology. There are far too many secular progressives amongst this age backet who are just as zealotous as any creationist, and far more mean spirited, so who is really the bad guy here? When you could absolutely care less about how you treat people, then you are. The thing religion instills is a sense of morals, which many of you are obviously missing, and it's a failure of society.



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TX109 said:
SecondWar said:

What, you mean the UK? Seeing how a lot of the USA (or a larger proportion of the Americans I see on TV) seems to support installing pro-discrimination laws such as the persecution of gays, Id much rather stay in my hole

what you see on TV really isnt "alot of the USA". in fact it is alot less than you might think. try not to generalize what you see on TV as the entire country.

I knew someone would pull me up on that. Yes, it probably isnt a fair generalisation but from everything I know about it it does seem to be a very Conservative Christian country, especially compared to the UK, which, judging by politically based stories Ive seen of the two, is much more accepting of different beliefs and lifestyles.



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SecondWar said:

Im going to relate this to video games which I think is a good way to demonstrate evolution on this website

If evolution is the total rubbish, why is Super Mario Bros on the NES is not technologically equal to Super Mario Bros on the Wii. Isnt that evolution, the technology improving over time into a more advanced state? Why has Pokemon Gold been remade into Pokemon HeartGold, if things dont evolve over time? Havent all those unpopular games and game developers gone bust through natural selection?

People feel free to have a go at shooting this down, Im interesting to see your reasoning



TX109 said:
mirgro said:
TX109 said:
mirgro said:
TX109 said:

why do you care? why do atheists care? why cant you poeple just accept religion as a part of society. i dont go to church but i have no problem with religious people or atheists. i just have a problem when people feel the need to call out one or the other for being "wrong", and that their beliefs are "total bullshit". you dont have to agree with them, just accept what you beleive in and at least respect the beliefs of others.


Because then they get the bright idea that they should ram their archaic, uninformed, and unintelligent ideas down people's throats. For example, gay rights. If they don't liek it they should just stfu and deal with it, not pass laws about it. From what I have seen, and it's not much so take it with a grain of salt, atheists just hate religious people exactly because religious people try to pull off their own retarded bullshit as law, solely because they read it in a fairy tale.


ramming their ideas down people's throats? is that not what alot of atheists do with their "god isnt real and religion is stupid and you people are stupid for believing in it it" shit? your right, many religious people do try to push their beliefs on others, but atheists are no different with their beliefs.

you dont believe in religion, which is fine. but is it really necessary to tell people who do that they are morons?


As I said, atheists just don't want religious people making the rules because they read them in one fairy tale or another. I frankly don't give a damn whether someone believes in unicorns and leprechauns or not, as long as they shut their trap about it. If they can't then just get rid of the whole idea behind it.

religious people may belive that those that arent religious "making the rules" is a bad idea because they dont have the word of god/jesus to guide them. are they any more right than you are? they may also feel that laws made by atheists are trying to impede on their beliefs. 

and why should they have to shut their trap when you (and many others) obviously wont and/or dont want to?

And that's why atheists are against religious people. They read it in a fairy tale and then they want to make everyone behave by it. I am sorry no, I don't want people who are so gullible as to fall for unicorns to dictate how people live their lives. Hence, it needs to stop. I don't want anything of them other than to shut the hell up and keep their fiction out of my reality. That's exactly the difference between the two. Religious people are offensive, while atheists are just playing defense. As I said, I can't give a damn about what someone believes, but apparently religious people really feel the need to tell me what to do according to them.



Well considering that scientific data is about as manipulated by the Elite as religions today I dont see how any of you can justify your answers when both are propagated. Look what they did with man made global warming for example. It came out in the media last year that the University that the U.N had hired had been manipulating the data they were providing to make it appear as if the Earth was getting warmer when in fact temperatures had been cooling in the past 10 years.  http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/ (There's alot more sites to look into if you google "climate Gate")



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TX109 said:

ramming their ideas down people's throats? is that not what alot of atheists do with their "god isnt real and religion is stupid and you people are stupid for believing in it it" shit? your right, many religious people do try to push their beliefs on others, but atheists are no different with their beliefs.

you dont believe in religion, which is fine. but is it really necessary to tell people who do that they are morons?


daaaaamn straight. I'm tired of all this ahteist/ satanistest propaganda in the U.S. today. I remember the good ole days when you culd say God in the pledge, see "In God We Trust" on all the currency, and when creationism was an accepted historical fact. Nowadays you see a "Don't Believe in God? You're not alone," bullcrap on a poster in some ghetto. I too am sick and tired of being force fed this godless crap. Now they're trying to remove the biblical commandments out of the courtrooms and trying to axe the national day of prayer. Talk about rude and intrusive!



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SecondWar said:
TX109 said:
SecondWar said:

What, you mean the UK? Seeing how a lot of the USA (or a larger proportion of the Americans I see on TV) seems to support installing pro-discrimination laws such as the persecution of gays, Id much rather stay in my hole

what you see on TV really isnt "alot of the USA". in fact it is alot less than you might think. try not to generalize what you see on TV as the entire country.

I knew someone would pull me up on that. Yes, it probably isnt a fair generalisation but from everything I know about it it does seem to be a very Conservative Christian country, especially compared to the UK, which, judging by politically based stories Ive seen of the two, is much more accepting of different beliefs and lifestyles.

have you visited the US lately? yes, it is a relatively conservative country. however, there are far more liberals here than you might think.

the US is the home to people from every different walk of life, culture, beliefs, and lifestyles on the planet. inevitably, a person's beliefs clash with somebody else's, leading to a seemingly less accepting society. it isnt that we arent accepting, hell im willing to try almost anything, its that its just hard for everyone to accept the samething when there are so many who feel it is wrong based on their culture and/or beliefs. especially when they drag that stuff into politics.

hopefully someday the whole world, including the US, will be able to accept everyone and everything. that wont happen for a while, but i think it can.