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johnathonmerritt on 31 March 2010
Icyedge said:
Sony never said that. Some people talking about this, journalist, reporter, blogger simply assumed that. Some newest game ask for an update if yours is very outdated, thats true, but those update will not remove "other OS". Having a mandatory update to play game that would remove "otherOS" would go against law of many country. While if its only banning PSN, its all legal. If you try to find an article (I did), where Sony claim anything like your sentence, make sure its between "quotes". Journalist tends to exagerate things, like saying it wouldnt let you play newest games and bluray.

Actually, they have not exagerated things. When Rachet and Clank Tools of Destruction came out, I believe we were on firmware 1.5. It required 1.51. Anyway, whichever firmware it was, the game could not be played online or offline of the PSN until updating. It won't be long until games are packaged with 3.21 update and will require you to install it before you can play it.



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rakugakist on 31 March 2010

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I don't really think you have a case here. You don't have to update to 3.21 if you don't want to, and you're PS3 will still work as described when purchased, in that you'll still be able to use OtherOS.

When you sign up for PSN you click an "I agree" button, which is like an electronic signature, that states that you agree to their terms and conditions. I'm pretty sure somewhere in there it states that they can change PSN at any time they wish, etc. So, you really don't have a "right" to use PSN if you don't agree with their conditions. So if you don't update, you don't have the right to PSN.

And aren't you using the OtherOS to run emulators. How legal is that?

I understand your frustrated, I'm just not sure you're going to get very far in a lawsuit. Although the things you're asking for are pretty cool. I'd love to have multi-regional PS1 and PS2 support.



Ail on 31 March 2010
rakugakist said:

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I don't really think you have a case here. You don't have to update to 3.21 if you don't want to, and you're PS3 will still work as described when purchased, in that you'll still be able to use OtherOS.

When you sign up for PSN you click an "I agree" button, which is like an electronic signature, that states that you agree to their terms and conditions. I'm pretty sure somewhere in there it states that they can change PSN at any time they wish, etc. So, you really don't have a "right" to use PSN if you don't agree with their conditions. So if you don't update, you don't have the right to PSN.

And aren't you using the OtherOS to run emulators. How legal is that?

I understand your frustrated, I'm just not sure you're going to get very far in a lawsuit. Although the things you're asking for are pretty cool. I'd love to have multi-regional PS1 and PS2 support.

They will never get anywhere in any lawsuit.

If Sony were to loose such a lawsuit it would mean every game or product has to keep supporting customers indefinitly which is not realistic...

I mean seriously, what next ?

Sue a company each time they shut down multiplayers servers ? ( that is a blatant loss of feature and in that case you don't have even have a choice to not upgrade to a firmware or service pack..)

 



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Tanstalas on 31 March 2010
only777 said:
Xero said:

If you read ToS there is small print on reserving the right to change blah blah blah, and reserving the right to change, PSN terms of service at will. In fact you have no right to PSN, Sony could remove service if they wanted to.

With the only real disadvantage being that you can't use PSN I don't see how Sony are liable. Besides independently you can still do everything as advertised. You can use linux, you can use PSN. Just not from the same HDD anymore, the console still supports other OS as stated only its most current version of firmware did not. 

What about developers who drop support on online games even whilst they're being sold @ retail? (like Nascar 09)


I'm pretty sure if you looked into it further nothing they're doing is illegal. Plus not enough people care. I certainly don't.


Not true in the EU mate.  EU law overides any TOS or EULA.  I was sold a machine that played online games and was open platform.  Sony are taking away the open platform part (which they said was ok here: http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html )

EU law clealry states that:

"· be fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase."

Well Sony have just broken that agreement and I want something in return.

I happy to have PS3 to not be open platform anymore to stamp out piracy, but I am not happy to have my rights pissed over.

I will be taking this to trading standards, but before I do I would like some voices behind me - Help me out http://usersvssony.blogspot.com/ - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110549712296723

Sony made it known to you at the time of purchase in the ToS (that you agreed to when you bought the product) that they can change whatever they want whenever they want, and you are shit outta luck.

And I think Sony can afford better lawyers than you can ;)



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Attoyou on 31 March 2010

IM GLAD sony Is Taking it out.



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RVDondaPC on 31 March 2010

As a Sony Fanboy I've never been so annoyed and disappointed in other Sony fanboys. Just shut up and go back to playing games. I'd much rather the PS3 be a profitable and successful console so that Sony can continue to give us more generations of greatness rather than it be relegated to mass piracy or the momentum of great games and great video game features be disrupted by a bunch of douche bags crying over such a trivial thing.



GameAnalyser on 31 March 2010

As long as they don't remove features such that I never be able to play my favourite PS3 titles..I'm fine with whatever they do. I use it as a game machine and not a device to meddle with some OS.



Fufinu on 31 March 2010

I have not used the feature but am supportive of this thread.

I wonder how many of those 'against' the thread are americans and how many are europeans. It seems customer protection is way more developed in the EU which I see as a good thing.



sirvice on 31 March 2010
Ail said:
rakugakist said:

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I don't really think you have a case here. You don't have to update to 3.21 if you don't want to, and you're PS3 will still work as described when purchased, in that you'll still be able to use OtherOS.

When you sign up for PSN you click an "I agree" button, which is like an electronic signature, that states that you agree to their terms and conditions. I'm pretty sure somewhere in there it states that they can change PSN at any time they wish, etc. So, you really don't have a "right" to use PSN if you don't agree with their conditions. So if you don't update, you don't have the right to PSN.

And aren't you using the OtherOS to run emulators. How legal is that?

I understand your frustrated, I'm just not sure you're going to get very far in a lawsuit. Although the things you're asking for are pretty cool. I'd love to have multi-regional PS1 and PS2 support.

They will never get anywhere in any lawsuit.

If Sony were to loose such a lawsuit it would mean every game or product has to keep supporting customers indefinitly which is not realistic...

I mean seriously, what next ?

Sue a company each time they shut down multiplayers servers ? ( that is a blatant loss of feature and in that case you don't have even have a choice to not upgrade to a firmware or service pack..)

 

You mix up things. first of all if ToS is against the Law, its invalid, even if you agreed to it.

Secondly, when u buy a game you dont buy supporting services like online gaming. The same goes for the PS3.

PSN is an service offered by Sony, you didnt buy it.

BUT its totally different with "Other OS" support. Thats a feature u bought with the purchase of your PS3, where no internet connection is needed

 

Edit: i dont understand why sony is doing this, slim consoles dont include this feature anymore, so the market for piracy is very limited... even more with YLOD old models will be replaced sooner or later to an certain extend



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Xen on 31 March 2010

Demand .mkv?

It's like asking Sony to support pirated HD content.

Use PS3 media server. THAT IS ALL.